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Sc2 Fights! [Round 1] Roach

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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 21:55:58
March 12 2010 11:32 GMT
#1
Place yer bets!
I plan to do a bunch of these threads from now on to familiarize people with different units stats and upgrades. after poll runs for a while I'll post vids/results.

What wins? A roach with 1 attack upgrade or a roach with regen upgrade?

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Poll: Round 1
RESULT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUQyBhySwSs
TL was mostly correct.

What about 5 versus 5 of them? (queuing up focus fire)
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Poll: 5v5
RESULT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6wAAbh-cqg

TL was about half correct.


10v10? (queuing up focus fire)
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Poll: 10v10
RESULT
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TL was mostly wrong!




I'll let this poll run for a while, then get a friend to test it all with and make videos.

BONUS; 100v100 blue +2 attack, pink regen.


rep:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmmfmqmwdhk


***
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
March 12 2010 11:36 GMT
#2
i say +1 in all cases
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 12 2010 11:46 GMT
#3
Focus fired or attack moved?
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
March 12 2010 11:49 GMT
#4
i voted all for +1 attack.
when u talk of group vs group you shold discuss if the group is proper microed or if you will simply A attack the other group ( i suppose that with an A attack the regeneration group will have the best benefit)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25995 Posts
March 12 2010 14:07 GMT
#5
Cool idea. I'd guess regen in all cases.
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wrags
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 15:10:17
March 12 2010 15:05 GMT
#6
On March 12 2010 20:36 green.at wrote:
i say +1 in all cases


only 10v10 because 15x10 will one-shot a roach regardless of regeneration (145 hp) otherwise yea regen in all cases

(16 damage - 2 armor + 1 attack) someone correct me if i'm wrong there
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 12 2010 15:14 GMT
#7
I'd agree with proper micro the regen ones will win at lower levels, since if they just retreat for a while they can regenerate much more hp (+5 right?) than the one with the +1 attack up. But with larger amounts of roaches the attack bonuses will win due to one-shots.
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wrags
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 15:25:04
March 12 2010 15:24 GMT
#8
On March 13 2010 00:14 flamewheel91 wrote:
I'd agree with proper micro the regen ones will win at lower levels, since if they just retreat for a while they can regenerate much more hp (+5 right?) than the one with the +1 attack up. But with larger amounts of roaches the attack bonuses will win due to one-shots.


something also to note is in a 5v5 situation, 100 gas (for +1) is the same gas cost of 4 roaches. i'm assuming that isn't an option though
ShinyGerbil
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada519 Posts
March 12 2010 16:58 GMT
#9
if focus fired, i'd say +1 takes over at the 5v5 range. auto-attack though, regen probably wins in all cases.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 12 2010 19:13 GMT
#10
I guess I should have clarified what was the case. When I made the polls I was thinking to focus fire and queue up attacks to focus from both sides without retreating micro or anything else.

I think I'll do a video of both circumstances just to see.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 19:16:31
March 12 2010 19:15 GMT
#11
On March 13 2010 00:24 wrags wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2010 00:14 flamewheel91 wrote:
I'd agree with proper micro the regen ones will win at lower levels, since if they just retreat for a while they can regenerate much more hp (+5 right?) than the one with the +1 attack up. But with larger amounts of roaches the attack bonuses will win due to one-shots.


something also to note is in a 5v5 situation, 100 gas (for +1) is the same gas cost of 4 roaches. i'm assuming that isn't an option though

but the upgrade is 100/100 and 1 roach cost 75 minerals as well.

And just fyi, each missile attack for zerg ground gives +2 attack for roaches but +1 to hydras.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 05:56:58
March 21 2010 01:34 GMT
#12
Tests are done, Results are in and polls taken down.

1v1 - Regen won
5v5 A-move - Regen won
5v5 Focus Que - Regen won
10v10 A-Move - Regen won
10v10 Focus Que - Regen won
100v100 A-Move - +2upgrade (+4 dmg) won

So basically regen plain out owns. So since we thought it'd be cool we did a 100v100 fight with a +2 upgrade vs regen. The results were pretty close, wow regen owns.

9 roach with 1 upgrade did 144 damage plus super fast regen left me with about 9 hp in a 1vs9. it would take 10 to 1 shot him.

btw in a group of 100(or any number for that matter) it will say 100 on the hotkey tab.

13 leftover for +2 upgrade.

videos coming soon. And next thread will be zealot tests. Let me know if you guys have any other ideas for unit battles like these. (I was thinking maybe marines - shields, attack upgrade, stim, etc)


Chill gets the 100% award.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 21:52:39
March 21 2010 21:52 GMT
#13
Videos are in the OP btw. check out round 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=116713
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 26 2010 13:54 GMT
#14
Well damn, blizzard has gone and nerged regen. Anyone wanna test these all over again with me?
I'm betting attack upgrades matter a lot more now.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 15:55:57
March 26 2010 15:55 GMT
#15
They just nerfed regen wile burrowed so no effect at all
Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
March 26 2010 18:10 GMT
#16
the 100vs100 , the regen probably won if +2 upgrade didn't have a much better arc the whole time. so regen all the way
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 26 2010 21:15 GMT
#17
yeah the arc was way too good for the other side
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-27 02:37:20
March 27 2010 02:35 GMT
#18
On March 27 2010 00:55 Marradron wrote:
They just nerfed regen wile burrowed so no effect at all

naw, they nerfed both burrowed and above ground regen.
they nerfed the hive thing from 20 to 10 and then they nerfed the burrowed from 10 to 5.

o Roach

+ Burrowed regeneration rate decreased from 10 to 5.
+ Upgraded burrowed regeneration bonus decreased from +20 to +10.


which is something I don't quite understand. If you have the regen upgrade and you burrow, how fast do you regen? is it 20?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 27 2010 02:48 GMT
#19
Increased regen rate when burrowed was insane. I remember I tested this a month ago and relayed the results to a friend...

chuiu: ling cant kill an upgraded roach
chuiu: you need 2 lings to even damage one
chuiu: and even then
chuiu: its health is going down so slow

chuiu: i have 4 cracklings on a burrowed roach and its doing nothing!!
chuiu: 5
chuiu: 6
chuiu: 7 is about breaking even
chuiu: 8 cant fit on there, he's circling around trying to attack rofl

chuiu: takes at least 4 roaches to kill a burrowed roach

I also tried ultralisks, and I think it took 2 ultralisks to damage a burrowed roach or something like that. Can't remember very well though that was a while ago.
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