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Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
February 08 2010 21:01 GMT
#21
On February 09 2010 01:48 kroko wrote:
I have been following ur blogs and I am interested how much ur students actually students actually get better iccup rank wise. Lets say 20h amount of coaching will get u were, etc ? Compered to regular gaming.

I am not potential student I am just wondering. Customer reviews didnt really tell anything.

Customer OPINION here, inc might have something else to say...

Lessons are mostly to tell you any major glaring flaws in your gameplay, tell you how to fix those flaws, but then you have to fix those flaws on your own time. It's really helpful for people who have played like 500 games but are still D-. Such players probably are doing something really fundamentally wrong and some tips can really benefit them.

There is no substitute for actually playing the game a lot. I mean even in progamer houses the coaches don't talk to you after each and every practice game and tell you each and every single weakness in your game.

Just like actual school, it's different for everyone. Some people can figure everything out on their own and improve by their own ways, others can really benefit from having someone point out their mistakes and how to fix them. But even in the latter case, even after you are told what the mistakes are, it takes time and practice to slowly iron out those mistakes and refine your mechanics.

I think, personally, Incontrol's lessons would be most beneficial if you're someone who just seems to be stuck at a certain level on ICCUP after playing a TON of games, and you just CANNOT figure out what you're doing wrong. Then he can point out the major flaws and can give you a set of guidelines as to how you can fix those flaws, and then with those ideas in mind you should be able to slowly fix those mistakes and push up the ranks.

That's my two cents.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 08 2010 21:05 GMT
#22
On February 09 2010 01:48 kroko wrote:
I have been following ur blogs and I am interested how much ur students actually students actually get better iccup rank wise. Lets say 20h amount of coaching will get u were, etc ? Compered to regular gaming.

I am not potential student I am just wondering. Customer reviews didnt really tell anything.


This is a good question, unfortunately there is no "rule" on this for development. Each person learns at a different pace. I have one student who has played bw for maybe 6 months and was quite unskilled at the game but after 4 sessions or so he has figured out macro for the most part and was always kinda fast so he is now maxing a protoss army at 15min mark or faster and with that kind of macro he is kinda good at all 3 mu's heh.

There have been developments like this all over the board but there have been others who have taken longer to make smaller strides. It comes down to the student, their problems with scbw, and how much they practice between sessions with the information given/concepts discussed.

This tourney will offer you a better idea of how far some have come. Obviously you won't know their starting abilities but you will get an idea of where they are gaming at and perhaps the interviews will answer your questions at a more in depth level.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 08 2010 21:12 GMT
#23
my friend will roll you all!
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
February 08 2010 21:20 GMT
#24
i'm so signing up for this. I'll hit u up for a lesson hopefully this weekend inc
Shew
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 08 2010 22:59 GMT
#25
On February 09 2010 06:20 Raydog wrote:
i'm so signing up for this. I'll hit u up for a lesson hopefully this weekend inc


Sounds good man!
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-09 16:21:24
February 09 2010 16:17 GMT
#26
On February 09 2010 01:58 Pokebunny wrote:
Biting the bullet and going for a lesson now. iNcontroL you are really awesome and dedicated that I can't resist anymore ;o


Poke you should spend your money and give me the lesson from inc in SC. I'll teach you some HoN things for 2 hours after
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 10 2010 03:16 GMT
#27
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111954 <-- tourney thread

PM me to sign up or post here/there if you have Q's or complaints regarding my coaching/the tourney.
RunningThrough
Profile Joined October 2009
United States14 Posts
February 10 2010 06:48 GMT
#28
Almost there buddy, Friday is the day.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
February 10 2010 08:29 GMT
#29
=o its almost like a 20 buy in tournament =D well sorta since people will want to play in it now and the rules are u gotta be a student. Smart play smart play
troi oi thang map nai!!!
mariogamesplay9
Profile Joined January 2012
India1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:28:31
January 20 2012 05:28 GMT
#30
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Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
January 20 2012 06:53 GMT
#31
Please lock ._. Was excited for a $15 session until I read carefully
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
January 20 2012 06:53 GMT
#32
Please lock ._. Was excited for a $15 session until I read carefully
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