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Coaching/Dark Horse Tournament

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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 13:55:04
February 08 2010 13:46 GMT
#1
This will be the Coaching Update blog #4:

Coaching Update#3 - Deals / other info

Customer Reviews

Things are going fantastic. I have witnessed and help cultivate some tremendous improvement with my students. But as cliche as it sounds, I have learned a lot as well! Nothing like grinding out the same bo for 2 hours to learn the very nuances of the build. I am extremely proud of those I have worked with and I am excited for what the future holds.

Some business:

I will be maintaining the deals I had before. First time customers get a 2 hour session for 15$ and every hour purchased as a bundle after 4 hours is half off. So for example 6 hours is 50$ as oppose to 60$ This has been received with tremendous support and I think it makes my lessons more accessible while still being worth my time!

The Dark Horse Tournament:

In conjunction with POLYGONREVUE (knf) we will be hosting a tourney called the "Dark Horse Tournament." This is a tournament that is only open to my past, present and future (sign up!) students. A full announcement will be released shortly by knf himself but essentially this is a tourney for those who don't get to play in many tourneys. PsyonicReaver and Huskythehusky will cast the semifinals/finals and hopefully make vods of those games as well. Full interviews and graphix will be made of the 2 top contenders as if they were in a big cash league! For prizes we only have lesson hours to give at the moment but we plan on running 2 more tourneys with the intent of growing the concept so eventually we have hardware or cash prizes.

I think this will be a nice tourney for people reviewing my sessions as it offers my students a chance to show what they have got/learned and observers can see them in action as well. Additionally it will just be another tourney to follow with some nice reps and commentated matches for everyone to enjoy.

Coaching contact:

As usual if you have any Q's please post in here or PM me. I am happy to discus whatever it is you would like. This has gone tremendously well thus far and I'd love to continue to grow this venture.

Strategic Discussion:

I'd like to open this thread to strategic discussion. If anyone has any questions they feel I could answer or someone else please post them here and we will discuss them!

Good luck and I hope this news gets some of you excited!

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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 14:01:18
February 08 2010 13:51 GMT
#2
Just an idea: I think it might be interestng to have the final winner have a match (maybe bo3/bo5) vs you in the end. Sort of like the best student vs master type of thing, although I don't know exactly how low/high the skill level is of the players you're teaching.

Good luck with the coaching.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 08 2010 13:57 GMT
#3
On February 08 2010 22:51 ilovezil wrote:
Just an idea, but if you're going through with this, I think it might be interestng to have the final winner have a match (maybe bo3/bo5) vs you in the end. Sort of like the best student vs master type of thing, although I don't know exactly how low/high the skill level is of the players you're teaching.

Good luck with the coaching.


That isn't a bad idea at all but for this tourney I think I will allow the students to combat.

And you can remove the "if you are going through with this" it has been in the planning stages for over 2 weeks hehe.. it is certainly happening!

The tourney will have some pretty high level matches if I might say so myself. I don't like to name names when it comes to my students but rest assured the quality will be high. Especially at the upper levels of the tourney.
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
February 08 2010 14:03 GMT
#4
On February 08 2010 22:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
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On February 08 2010 22:51 ilovezil wrote:
Just an idea: I think it might be interestng to have the final winner have a match (maybe bo3/bo5) vs you in the end. Sort of like the best student vs master type of thing, although I don't know exactly how low/high the skill level is of the players you're teaching.

Good luck with the coaching.


That isn't a bad idea at all but for this tourney I think I will allow the students to combat.

And you can remove the "if you are going through with this" it has been in the planning stages for over 2 weeks hehe.. it is certainly happening!

The tourney will have some pretty high level matches if I might say so myself. I don't like to name names when it comes to my students but rest assured the quality will be high. Especially at the upper levels of the tourney.


Cool, now you'll have to edit yours to correct the edit I made in my first post.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11591 Posts
February 08 2010 14:48 GMT
#5
I will not lose this tournament...

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what's that saying about you're a winner if you have fun?
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machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
February 08 2010 15:17 GMT
#6
Congrats on the progress of this endeavor. It would be interesting to see the improvement rate of the students, via iccup ranks, to get an idea on exactly how beneficial it is to the average student. Anyways, props on the work done so far.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
February 08 2010 15:24 GMT
#7
absolutely, Time to go into uber practice mode!
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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
February 08 2010 15:52 GMT
#8
Sounds like an awesome idea for a tournament.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
February 08 2010 16:45 GMT
#9
Now I wish I had the money to be your student :D

Good luck to the participants!
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8155 Posts
February 08 2010 16:47 GMT
#10
What's the best way to play vs a 12 hatch when you open 12pool/12gas/12expo in ZvZ?
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kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
February 08 2010 16:48 GMT
#11
I have been following ur blogs and I am interested how much ur students actually students actually get better iccup rank wise. Lets say 20h amount of coaching will get u were, etc ? Compered to regular gaming.

I am not potential student I am just wondering. Customer reviews didnt really tell anything.
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 08 2010 16:58 GMT
#12
Biting the bullet and going for a lesson now. iNcontroL you are really awesome and dedicated that I can't resist anymore ;o
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 08 2010 17:17 GMT
#13
I'm not sure I should participate...will prolly just get steamrolled in the first game
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 08 2010 17:26 GMT
#14
On February 09 2010 02:17 TheAntZ wrote:
I'm not sure I should participate...will prolly just get steamrolled in the first game


do it.
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
February 08 2010 17:48 GMT
#15
Go TheAntZ :D I can't wait to see your progress! <3
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24753 Posts
February 08 2010 17:57 GMT
#16
I suspect there will be some racial imbalance at the higher levels of this tournament :3
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 08 2010 18:25 GMT
#17
Isn't response gonna rape this?
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-08 18:52:19
February 08 2010 18:52 GMT
#18
Oh sweet POLYGONREVUE is cool he's done some awesome audio interviews with some top players for the TSL and other things. This should be fun... I wonder if more people will take lessons now just to be able to play in this.

such good marketing and stuff for this now. haha I love it.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 08 2010 20:53 GMT
#19
On February 09 2010 01:47 Ideas wrote:
What's the best way to play vs a 12 hatch when you open 12pool/12gas/12expo in ZvZ?


When you get caught opening 12 pool vs 12 hatch you need to take a risk or two to equalize the openings. I will usually make a pair of zerglings or so to force them to think I am making more and then I will drone behind them. This is dangerous however because they will have more larvae available to them so you need to play it right and keep them on the defensive.

Some ways of doing this are: keeping the lings OUTSIDE making him think they might be a part of a larger group or at least wanting to counter. Additionally you will probably need a sunk and to switch over to lings at the natural if he goes heavy ling. Use drones in conjunction with said forces for defense when the time comes as you will most likely be a few behind. But sunk+positioning + workers SHOULD hold it off if you matched the lings enough. The idea here is that you force him to go ling heavy while you sneak a drone or two and equalize the economy.

The most important thing is to not panic though. Yes their opening is better but NO you are not dead yet. Try and get a drone in or two on them and rely on the distances between bases to make up the ling difference.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 08 2010 20:57 GMT
#20
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