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Blogs > HnR)Insane
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-31 05:18:08
January 31 2010 05:17 GMT
#1
Hey, I decided to take a lesson from Inc about how to play Zerg (I've historically been a P player, but decided to learn Z some for fun). I figured I'd write here about my experiences.

The rate I paid was an introductory rate of 15 bucks for 2 hours--very reasonable in my opinion (in fact, I could easily see him justifiably charging more for it, but I guess he has a varied audience he has to price for). We met up on iCCup and used vent to communicate.

The basic structure was that we played games [in our case we played on Fighting Spirit since I didn't have a map preference] and then watched the replays and he discussed my play and how to improve (this was the default style--if I wanted to do something like ask about something or play a specific map or strategy, then I could do so, but since I didn't have any particular things I just went with the default).

Overall we played 5 games and looked at the replays in the 2 hours. I felt that he had a lot of suggestions to help me improve my Z (and also to an extent PvZ / TvZ by looking at what he was doing and from what he said). He provided very in-detail explanation of why he did what he did and the best courses of action.

One thing I particularly liked about it was that he acknowledged and accepted that neither of us are progaming monsters. We don't have flawless mechanics and reactions, nor will we. His advice allowed me to account for that and improve my play to a higher level without simply telling me to go practice hundreds of games to grind my macro/micro to be better.

Overall I'd solidly recommend him to anyone looking to improve their Zerg play. Yes, there are better foreigners out there, but his attention to detail and patience with the fact that I suck was very nice I'd say!

***
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
January 31 2010 05:19 GMT
#2
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
January 31 2010 05:27 GMT
#3
I wonder how much bank he's making on this service.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
January 31 2010 05:29 GMT
#4
On January 31 2010 14:27 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
I wonder how much bank he's making on this service.


About $7.50 an hour I would guess.
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
January 31 2010 05:31 GMT
#5
Nice! i hope inc gets alot of customers because he seems like a genuinely nice guy and is taking this seriously
HEY MEYT
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
January 31 2010 05:31 GMT
#6
On January 31 2010 14:29 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2010 14:27 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
I wonder how much bank he's making on this service.


About $7.50 an hour I would guess.


HEY MEYT
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 31 2010 05:35 GMT
#7
Was a great session Insane. You are a remarkable player and I enjoy doing a session with a cerebral person who enjoys the thought process of this game as much as I do.

Thanks for the kind words too!

I am glad to hear you liked it and benefited from it.. I was worried that my tired state would negatively impact our session. Before you I had done 4 2 hour sessions..

Loving what you do though makes it soooooo worth it haha
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
January 31 2010 05:35 GMT
#8
I neglected to mention it in the OP, but you can see his topic about it here
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 31 2010 05:36 GMT
#9
On January 31 2010 14:29 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2010 14:27 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
I wonder how much bank he's making on this service.


About $7.50 an hour I would guess.

Orly? :p
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vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 31 2010 06:24 GMT
#10
yay inc (:
Breaking Bad
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
January 31 2010 06:29 GMT
#11
I was almost hoping you would say it wasn't worth it because I have $15 to blow and am seriously tempted.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 31 2010 06:41 GMT
#12
On January 31 2010 15:29 Arrian wrote:
I was almost hoping you would say it wasn't worth it because I have $15 to blow and am seriously tempted.


Well if you have any Q's I'm just watching SWL and can answer them easily. If you are tempted give in my child.. it has done nothing but make people happy! (That have done the lessons hehe)
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
April 01 2010 22:37 GMT
#13
i too just finished my lessons with incontrol and they were totally worth it... i feel like my PvT and PvZ are alot stronger after only these 2 hours... definitly check in with him sometime
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 01 2010 22:50 GMT
#14
I'm not paying for lessons from Inc unless he shows me how to play like Swayze taught Demi pottery in Ghost.
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HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
April 01 2010 23:45 GMT
#15
iNcontroL would you do like 5-10 games to get a grip of the "buying persons" play style and yet another 5-10 games to analyze and then finish up with 5-10 games to see if there is something left to improve while the "buying person" tries to impliment your tips into the "buyers" playstyle? For like $45 that would be an awesome package deal.
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leMaj24
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States262 Posts
April 02 2010 16:41 GMT
#16
^ thats not a bad idea, but i dont think $45 is a fair price for that.. maybe $60-70
Pawsom
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States928 Posts
April 02 2010 17:20 GMT
#17
On April 02 2010 08:45 Lobbo wrote:
iNcontroL would you do like 5-10 games to get a grip of the "buying persons" play style and yet another 5-10 games to analyze and then finish up with 5-10 games to see if there is something left to improve while the "buying person" tries to impliment your tips into the "buyers" playstyle? For like $45 that would be an awesome package deal.



Do you realize how long it takes to play 30 games of starcraft? I'm pretty sure if this is the method you'd like to use, he'd be fine with it, but I wouldn't expect to pay anything outside his normal rate.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 02 2010 18:20 GMT
#18
Lobbo you ask an excellent question:

Basically within the coaching you will find that kind of treatment anyways. Before we play I encourage you to play your best which includes style. Afterwards we cultivate the lesson around maximizing THAT play and the style. Typically in a session (depending on your race, mu preference etc etc) we get in around 5-6 games in 2 hours and sometimes more. With the replay discussion afterwards.

What you are asking for would take a lot longer but could be crafted for around 45$... it would just involve off the clock work like you sending reps, us playing and then you going off and implementing that play with perhaps time left for discussing how to improve that.
[Leo]Se7en
Profile Joined November 2009
United States50 Posts
April 03 2010 02:53 GMT
#19
i just finished my 2 hour session with inc and wow, people my hair grew back, i lost weight, im out of debt, my cat stopped scratching the couch, my hamster came back to life, and now it only takes me 1 beer to get drunk! FKN amaZing!




jk love ya~
JulyZerg AKA "God of War", Effort, Movie, SkyHigh! You can do it Maestro !
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