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Over confidence in low self confident people

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Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
January 24 2010 05:51 GMT
#1
From my last blog, you can pretty figure out that I have very low self confidence (but I have read Travis' post). But I have been thinking that I have some over confidence in me. An analogy is when people say "ack bad macro" when they lose countless games, rage and never get past D+ or something. They overconfident in the fact that they can macro, but they never improve.

But I am confused: how can you be over confident AND have low self confidence at the same time? If it is then I believe im a classic example.

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Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
January 24 2010 05:57 GMT
#2
sorry, im too stupid understand what u're saying. but i believe if i try really hard i will understand in 5 seconds.
lylejensen
Profile Joined November 2009
United States19 Posts
January 24 2010 06:02 GMT
#3
You mean arrogance?
DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
January 24 2010 06:04 GMT
#4
Basically he's saying when you play SC and aren't up to par on something (i.e. macro, rine splitting, reaver micro, whatever), but you think you're just fine at it, then you won't improve.

I do this a lot, like I think my macro is just fine, but it could definitely use some refinement. I need to work on a lot of little things that I don't think matter all that much when in fact that's how you get better.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
January 24 2010 06:05 GMT
#5
its not just sc. I just used that to help make my post more sense. its more ofa life question
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
FonzeXD
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States220 Posts
January 24 2010 06:08 GMT
#6
On January 24 2010 14:51 Sharp-eYe wrote:
how can you be over confident AND have low self confidence at the same time? If it is then I believe im a classic example.


Dude, people do it all the time = get drunk.
If I take you for granted, if I fuck up the planet, ain't nothing to it, gangsta rap made me do it.
AssuredVacancy
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1167 Posts
January 24 2010 06:27 GMT
#7
That's not overconfidence, that's being dumb.
We spend our youth attaining wealth, and our wealth attaining youth.
jcu
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada93 Posts
January 24 2010 06:35 GMT
#8
Its like having an inferiority complex but it manifests itself as a superiority complex perhaps? Like when someone feels out of control so they overcompensate by being really controlling.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
January 24 2010 06:47 GMT
#9
you try to compensate for your own insecurities by acting superficially arrogant (???)
Entusman #12
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
January 24 2010 06:52 GMT
#10
I'd work on building your confidence. Just do small things that make you proud or happy or accomplished. Try to get more friends. Be around people that you can be "yourself" with. Worked pretty well for me.
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Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
January 24 2010 06:54 GMT
#11
On January 24 2010 15:52 Whiplash wrote:
I'd work on building your confidence. Just do small things that make you proud or happy or accomplished. Try to get more friends. Be around people that you can be "yourself" with. Worked pretty well for me.

yeah im finding that to be true. and being more open about things. just like Travis said :D
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
January 24 2010 06:59 GMT
#12
On January 24 2010 15:02 lylejensen wrote:
You mean arrogance?


yea arrogance is more of the term than 'over-confidence' lol
Treatin' fools since '87
FonzeXD
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States220 Posts
January 24 2010 07:15 GMT
#13
Go to a rave... XD
you seem like you're all WOUND UP in your little world xP
If I take you for granted, if I fuck up the planet, ain't nothing to it, gangsta rap made me do it.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 07:18 GMT
#14
Well... imo they're both just a kind of low self confidence. When you say you're overconfident when you don't improve, perhaps you're just not confident enough with yourself to admit when you're doing something wrong. Take Day[9]'s casts about himself... he loves to point out his errors in them, but he's a very confident guy. He's comfortable enough to know and admit his mistakes and change them. Perhaps you aren't?
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
January 24 2010 07:27 GMT
#15
I'm not sure if it's overconfidence in this context, maybe just being lazy?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-24 07:54:36
January 24 2010 07:54 GMT
#16
Get a Thesaurus
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 24 2010 08:04 GMT
#17
You think youre pretty bad but actually youre even worse? That's what you're after?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
January 24 2010 08:07 GMT
#18
On January 24 2010 14:57 nttea wrote:
sorry, im too stupid understand what u're saying. but i believe if i try really hard i will understand in 5 seconds.

this is a big part of the answer too. and arrogance.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
January 24 2010 08:12 GMT
#19
On January 24 2010 14:57 nttea wrote:
sorry, im too stupid understand what u're saying. but i believe if i try really hard i will understand in 5 seconds.


Don't feel bad (assuming English isn't your 1st language) because he didn't say it very clearly at all...

OP: I know what you're talking about I think. Even if overall you lack self-confidence you can still be overly confident in certain areas and in certain situations.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
January 24 2010 08:24 GMT
#20
Interesting thread.

After thinking about it, I believe it revolves around confidence, knowledge and the balance between those two things.

1°) While one doesn't know shit, he still can be very confident. It's easier to make a choice, less options to chose from, or he can just act. That "fake" or "naive" confidence makes him very annoying for the wise.

He can also be more shy, less confident. He doesn't know shit, after all. This humility is easier to accept.

2°) On the other hand, if one does know his shit, you expect him to be confident about it. He's the man, after all. So his display of confidence, supported by his knowledge, is accepted.

But when said person appears not confident, it's also annoying for everyone (him included) because his behavior weakens his words/actions.


Hope it, somehow, makes sense.
Resistance ain't futile
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
January 24 2010 09:30 GMT
#21
On January 24 2010 17:24 Murlox wrote:
Interesting thread.

After thinking about it, I believe it revolves around confidence, knowledge and the balance between those two things.

1°) While one doesn't know shit, he still can be very confident. It's easier to make a choice, less options to chose from, or he can just act. That "fake" or "naive" confidence makes him very annoying for the wise.

He can also be more shy, less confident. He doesn't know shit, after all. This humility is easier to accept.

2°) On the other hand, if one does know his shit, you expect him to be confident about it. He's the man, after all. So his display of confidence, supported by his knowledge, is accepted.

But when said person appears not confident, it's also annoying for everyone (him included) because his behavior weakens his words/actions.


Hope it, somehow, makes sense.

Unwarranted confidence and deceptive humility both impede progress.
My strategy is to fork people.
ErOs_HalO
Profile Joined January 2010
United States167 Posts
January 24 2010 10:10 GMT
#22
You can be confident about certain things and not confident about other. :X That's not unusual!
GL
Pretty imaginitive, huh?
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
January 24 2010 10:46 GMT
#23
theres a wikipedie page of a psychology study on this but the name escapes me...
im gay
TeH_Mentalist
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Korea (South)244 Posts
January 24 2010 10:58 GMT
#24
You feel confident about your abilities as a gamer but when you have no faith in winning against better people but when you lose to someone you think you should have beat than you blame it on the first excuse that comes to mind but not the fact you were noobier
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 24 2010 12:54 GMT
#25
I have friends like that.
Its pretty annoying sometimes.
Then you get used to it and don't take anything that guy says seriously.
8==========))
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
January 24 2010 13:22 GMT
#26
there might be another reason not mentioned here:
if you have low self confidence it gets easier to put everyone else down. its sort of a way to manage your low self confidence by falsly raising it.

could also be projection (psychological term)
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 24 2010 13:29 GMT
#27
You compensate for your low self-esteem and put up a facade to the world. It's not real and cracks easily.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Beautygrl09
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1 Post
February 10 2010 17:11 GMT
#28
I'd say you just feel defensive and want to hide your insecurities by acting like you don't have them, which might result in arrogance (though that's a strong word). I'd say to overcome your problem you need to build up your confidence, by acquiring new skills, or performing better on your tasks, or even by figuring out who you are (corny, sorry). Anyways, this blog I read, facingtheworldbook.com, talks about situations like yours and how to overcome them. Maybe the writer can offer you a few tips since he's researched a ton on the subject. Hope this helps
Love thyself
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-10 18:45:33
February 10 2010 18:35 GMT
#29
I remember something that's describes this, finally found it.

Dunning-Kruger effect

This leads to a perverse result where less competent people will rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding.


See also Downing effect and illusory bias/superiority bias/illusory superiority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

Edit: and here's a part accusing you of being nerd with adjustment problems
A longitudinal study found that self-enhancement biases were associated with poor social skills and psychological maladjustment.
meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
February 11 2010 02:00 GMT
#30
I don't think the example is really explained so well. You mean that you're over confident in your ability to outsmart your opponent and so you tell yourself it must be macro? This is more an example of taking an easy way out than of over confidence imo, but i guess is still in some way over confidence.

I've only taken one psych course, so someone may correct me here but, as far as i know your brain is extremely complex and it could very easily teach itself into somehow rewarding thoughts that mask your lack of confidence through an illusion like this. Your brain does a lot of predicting rewards and then giving actions higher priority that give it more rewards (through neurotransmitters that are pleasureable)

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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 11 2010 03:09 GMT
#31
confident people are fully aware of all of their strengths and weaknesses and are okay with them all

insecure people either a. only think about their weaknesses or b. dont acknowledge them at all and only focus on one area where they are confident
why so 진지해?
keepITup
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
251 Posts
February 11 2010 03:47 GMT
#32
I go into a game thinking "i got this shit"

when I lose I think, "wow i'm fucking terrible."

what category do i fall under?
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
February 11 2010 03:56 GMT
#33
wtf drug are you on buddy lol
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