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Should Senator Reid Step Down?

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Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 19:19:51
January 12 2010 19:14 GMT
#1
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/index.html

The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Imagine if a republican said that.

Ex KKK member Democratic Senator Robert Byrd can throw out the term "white n*****" and still retain office. (2001)

GOP Majority leader Senator Trent Lott speaks at Senator Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday and joked that the country may have been better off if he was elected president (Thurmond ran on a segregationist platform). Then is forced to step down shortly there after. (2002)

What did Reid have to say on the matter at the time?

"He had no alternative… If you tell ethnic jokes in the backroom, it's that much easier to say ethnic things publicly. I've always practiced how I play."

If Reid is true to his word then yes he should be forced to resign.

Will he? No.

Double standard? Yes.

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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 12 2010 19:21 GMT
#2
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Get out

Come on. You can't compare the two incidents. Lott basically joked that it would have been better for the country to remain segregated. Reid said that Obama could be successful with white voters despite being black.

You're grasping at straws. You always do. Stop posting.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
January 12 2010 19:30 GMT
#3
Why are you a TL.net member? Your 151 posts are literally all about politics. Every one of them!
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Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 12 2010 19:32 GMT
#4
On January 13 2010 04:30 Chill wrote:
Why are you a TL.net member? Your 151 posts are literally all about politics. Every one of them!


I can't play starcraft and be interested in politics? =(
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
Undisputed-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
January 12 2010 19:35 GMT
#5
On January 13 2010 04:21 motbob wrote:
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Get out

Come on. You can't compare the two incidents. Lott basically joked that it would have been better for the country to remain segregated. Reid said that Obama could be successful with white voters despite being black.

You're grasping at straws. You always do. Stop posting.


They both made racially demeaning comments.

You argument is Reid's comment that racially demeaned Obama and every other African American wasn't bad enough. Do I follow?
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
January 12 2010 19:35 GMT
#6
On January 13 2010 04:32 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 04:30 Chill wrote:
Why are you a TL.net member? Your 151 posts are literally all about politics. Every one of them!


I can't play starcraft and be interested in politics? =(

You apparently can't play starcraft and know what the hell you're talking about in regard to politics, that's for sure.

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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 12 2010 19:36 GMT
#7
On January 13 2010 04:21 motbob wrote:
Reid said that Obama could be successful with white voters despite being black.

That's what I think too. Reid told the truth from a political strategist's point of view. It's funny that they want a guy to resign because he didn't lie about the situation.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 12 2010 19:38 GMT
#8
On January 13 2010 04:35 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 04:21 motbob wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Get out

Come on. You can't compare the two incidents. Lott basically joked that it would have been better for the country to remain segregated. Reid said that Obama could be successful with white voters despite being black.

You're grasping at straws. You always do. Stop posting.


They both made racially demeaning comments.

You argument is Reid's comment that racially demeaned Obama and every other African American wasn't bad enough. Do I follow?

Regardless of what he truly meant by the comment (which is something that I can't know for sure), his comment can easily be interpreted as commenting on white voters' perception of black people in general, not as a comment on black people in general.

By the way, your OP is misleading. You make it appear that Lott was ousted from the Senate, when all he did was resign his leadership position.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
January 12 2010 19:41 GMT
#9
This also gives it a bit more context (and you just accidently left it out)

The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

"He [Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' " Halperin and Heilemann say.

"Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination," they write.


You'd have to try really hard to find something demeaning in that and it's not even in the same ballpark as the other shit you're trying to draw parallels to
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
January 12 2010 19:47 GMT
#10
On January 13 2010 04:32 Undisputed- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 04:30 Chill wrote:
Why are you a TL.net member? Your 151 posts are literally all about politics. Every one of them!


I can't play starcraft and be interested in politics? =(

If you were interested in Starcraft I would expect to see a post about it among the 151 political ones.
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love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 19:53:45
January 12 2010 19:52 GMT
#11
I don't think he should step down. What he said reflects not his own opinion, but a real understanding of how the American psyche, to this day, works.
He is not a racist, he's just really acute to the ugly issues still rearing their heads and is willing to engage them. That fearless quality is what is needed at the helm of any political party.
On January 13 2010 04:47 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 04:32 Undisputed- wrote:
On January 13 2010 04:30 Chill wrote:
Why are you a TL.net member? Your 151 posts are literally all about politics. Every one of them!


I can't play starcraft and be interested in politics? =(

If you were interested in Starcraft I would expect to see a post about it among the 151 political ones.


I feel bad now. Do you think I post enough about starcraft?
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
January 12 2010 19:58 GMT
#12
Aegraen 2.0
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 12 2010 20:23 GMT
#13
The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

In all honesty, the above is true though. A darker african-american who spoke ebonics would never be accepted by the mainstream as a president of the USA.

People say things, it doesn't mean he was making an super official statement of any kind. He may have his opinions as long as he isn't hurting anyone, it's a free country (your country) after all and the first amendment guarantees everyone the right to speak their minds.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 20:39:11
January 12 2010 20:38 GMT
#14
on politics, just had to post

a bit random, but still, it's not off
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Mori600
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Japan311 Posts
January 12 2010 20:45 GMT
#15
Someone should step down as a TL member.
Build a man a fire, he will be warm for a night. Lite a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 20:59:39
January 12 2010 20:48 GMT
#16
On January 13 2010 05:45 Mori600 wrote:
Someone should step down as a TL member.


haha

Yes, every post I see by Undisputed- either reminds me of some stupid UFC thread or brings to me the fresh nauseating air of politics.
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Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
January 13 2010 02:21 GMT
#17
I think bringing politics into TL really diversifies the conversation we see on here. I mean we have enough members not making political threads, that one member who is making political threads is a blessing.

But yea, but he should definitely step down, he's holdin ga double standard if he doesn't.

I suspect he won't step down b/c of the pressure from the dem. party for the health care bill.
C'est la vie...
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 02:30:29
January 13 2010 02:28 GMT
#18
Why should he resign over this? Obama excepted his apology. Things are cool now.


Yeah politics is stupid. As I learn more and more about the world I realize how retarded 90% of American politics is. It's really quite depressing.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 13 2010 05:25 GMT
#19
@op: Ron Paul said "if you've ever been robbed by a black male, you'd know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." Is he not a Republican?
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