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Bahrain: The Pearl of the Persian Gulf

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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 01:36:57
December 11 2009 01:29 GMT
#1
So if you didn't check out this thread in the general forum, then do check it. So Bahrain (my lovely country) has been named the world's friendliest country by some research. People were asking what is Bahrain? Where is it? Why is it number 1? So I thought of making this blog which pretty much gives you information about my country and what to expect when visiting it if you are interested!

Introduction:
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Bahrain or rather "Kingdom of Bahrain" (Yeah we became a Kingdom in 2002) is a small Island country in the Persian gulf located near the coast of Saudi Arabia. Its called the pearl of the gulf because throughout history loads of people tried to take over it because of its strategic location for trade. Today many people consider it a "mini-Dubai" because of the huge growth in commerce and infrastructure. Bahrain is so important to all the gulf countries visit it quite alot during the weekends as it becomes pretty crowded because its the most liberal country in the Persian Gulf (YES! Got that right!).
Quoting from Wikipedia:
"Bahrain is sometimes described as "Middle East lite" because it combines modern infrastructure with an Arabian Gulf identity and, unlike other countries in the region, its prosperity is not solely a reflection of the size of its oil wealth, but is also related to the creation of an indigenous middle class."


"While Islam is the main religion, Bahrainis have been known for their tolerance, and Churches, Hindu temples, Sikh Gurdwara and a Jewish synagogue can be found alongside mosques. The country is home to several communities that have faced persecution elsewhere."

Climate:
Lets just say that in winters the climate is pretty moist and windy due to its location and temperature is around 5-20C (41-68F), while summers are pretty damn hot! 45 Celsius which is equivalent to 113 F!


Culture:

Bahrain has a culture that is a mixture of its old traditional culture and modernized . Its so awesome to live in a place where both of those exist together which allows its people to be one of the most welcoming to any foreigner. You could visit places such as the museum ,souqs(Traditional Marketplace), and historical sites in addition to your regular malls, shopping centers, theme parks, etc. From my experience every westerner that came and visited Bahrain especially loved THE SOUQS ( You can get anything there, they even sell crocodile eggs if you search lol!).

People:
The people of Bahrain are considered the friendliest of all the gulf, I am one of them right :3. Trust me, all the people that visit Bahrain usually find its people very welcoming and hospitable.

Tourisim:

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An upward view of the highways of Bahrain

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One of four Islands made through land reclamation in Bahrain. Epic island is Epic yes?


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Pictures of Bahrain's biggest waterpark, called The Lost Paradise. Pretty fun!

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The Grand Mosque is one of the biggest tourist attractions in Bahrain, pretty epic and old.

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wiki: The Bahrain World Trade Center (also called Bahrain WTC or BWTC) is a 240 m (787 ft) high twin tower complex located in Manama, Bahrain. The towers were built in 2008 by the multi-national architectural firm Atkins. It is the first skyscraper in the world to integrate wind turbines into its design.

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If you are into F1 racing, then this might be a really big attraction as this circuit won the award for being the best circuit in 2007! In April, tons of people from around the world come to watch the start of the F1 season!



I miss Bahrain so much =[, even though I am in awesome Canada <3! So I hope this might give you a basic Idea on the country :D! Cheers!

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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 11 2009 01:32 GMT
#2
oh wow that's really beautiful. I'd really like the visit that region sometime in my life
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 11 2009 01:34 GMT
#3
Incredible, this just put it on the places I want to visit list
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
December 11 2009 01:39 GMT
#4
Epic islands are EPIC
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Fallen_arK
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States91 Posts
December 11 2009 01:45 GMT
#5
Thats freaking amazing. Thanks for the info and photos!
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 11 2009 01:46 GMT
#6
Where in Canada are you? Can't imagine you're enjoying this weather .
DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
December 11 2009 01:48 GMT
#7
I agree Bahrain is very beautiful and they are building like crazy leading the development in some construction areas. My only complaint is that they destory lots of EPIC corals, that's truley a shame.
AtlaS
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1001 Posts
December 11 2009 01:48 GMT
#8
Oh my god. This place is amazing. What a beautiful country. I am definitely going to visit this play one day
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
December 11 2009 01:57 GMT
#9
On December 11 2009 10:48 DarkShadowz wrote:
I agree Bahrain is very beautiful and they are building like crazy leading the development in some construction areas. My only complaint is that they destory lots of EPIC corals, that's truley a shame.

Yeah I know, land reclamation is so bad! But the people are fighting against it to save any corals. So Land reclamation is only happening in areas in which scarce corals are not on.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
December 11 2009 01:58 GMT
#10
On December 11 2009 10:46 3clipse wrote:
Where in Canada are you? Can't imagine you're enjoying this weather .

I am in London,ON -10 is still not that much of a problem surprisingly xD! I am scared of -20-30 T.T!
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
December 11 2009 02:18 GMT
#11
On December 11 2009 10:58 DragoonPK wrote:
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On December 11 2009 10:46 3clipse wrote:
Where in Canada are you? Can't imagine you're enjoying this weather .

I am in London,ON -10 is still not that much of a problem surprisingly xD! I am scared of -20-30 T.T!

Yeah, it was -20 in Calgary a few days ago. There was crazy wind chill on top of it, too. Considering I have no car right now, I've been holed up in residence for the past week, ordering pizza and chinese. xD
swat
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia142 Posts
December 11 2009 02:19 GMT
#12
And if I remember correctly if you want to work there, there is no income tax last time I checked :s or it is super low.
Sigi
Profile Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
December 11 2009 02:19 GMT
#13
My sister's boyfriend used to live in Bahrain and wants to go back, I see why now this place looks and sounds awesome.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 02:30:16
December 11 2009 02:29 GMT
#14
I use to know a girl who spent summers in Saudi Arabia because her dad worked in the oil industry and lived over there. She would talk about how awesome it was to travel to Bahrain because it was the one cool place she could go to party.
Looks like a beautiful country. If I end up visiting the mid-east Bahrain is one country I would like to go to.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25987 Posts
December 11 2009 02:53 GMT
#15
thanks for making this thread after my trip is ending.
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stoned_rabbit
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States324 Posts
December 11 2009 03:08 GMT
#16
oh shit, im totally going there. that place looks fucking awesome.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 11 2009 03:15 GMT
#17
I'd like to visit there sometime but traveling into the middle east just doesn't seem particularly wise nowadays.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 11 2009 03:35 GMT
#18
looks swet dude!
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 11 2009 03:39 GMT
#19
Holy shit that building with the wind turbines is fucking badass.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 11 2009 03:53 GMT
#20
On December 11 2009 12:15 ghermination wrote:
I'd like to visit there sometime but traveling into the middle east just doesn't seem particularly wise nowadays.

They say Bahrain is the friendliest country in the world. That means they probably don't hate foreigners.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
December 11 2009 03:57 GMT
#21
are you getting paid for this? bahrain looks awesome (: is it very expensive?
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 11 2009 04:15 GMT
#22
whoa man those islands look absolutely awesome
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 04:19:40
December 11 2009 04:19 GMT
#23
Nice to see people proud of their country! I learned some new stuff about Bahrain and there's some really cool stuff there!

I know I can easily say I'm not that proud of my country T_T
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
December 11 2009 04:59 GMT
#24
Man You are lucky to be able to live there. I'm so jealous!
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
December 11 2009 05:03 GMT
#25
I don't think comparing it to Dubai is any good. Especially with all the stories coming out on how they treat their workers and foreigners. =(
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
December 11 2009 05:21 GMT
#26
On December 11 2009 14:03 Dknight wrote:
I don't think comparing it to Dubai is any good. Especially with all the stories coming out on how they treat their workers and foreigners. =(

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107539

Well, as you can see, Bahrain treats their expats quite nicely
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
December 11 2009 06:06 GMT
#27
Looks like a cool place! how expensive is it there?
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
December 11 2009 06:12 GMT
#28
On December 11 2009 15:06 Piste wrote:
Looks like a cool place! how expensive is it there?

opposite to the common thought, Bahrain is actually pretty inexpensive in prices. I mean, I now live in Canada and feel that the food + drinks are much more expensive than back home even though the exchange rate of 1 Bahraini Dinar is = .344 CAD. Finding a decent hotel is pretty easy and from what I know is not too expensive too. The only thing that is more expensive is usually the price of games (5-10bucks difference -.-) but obviously that doesn't bother me much as all the games I get I order from Amazon or something (or get from the local market, million pirated shit lol). Other than that, its pretty medium I would say, definitely less expensive than Canada though from what I saw.
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
December 11 2009 06:15 GMT
#29
On December 11 2009 14:21 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 14:03 Dknight wrote:
I don't think comparing it to Dubai is any good. Especially with all the stories coming out on how they treat their workers and foreigners. =(

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=107539

Well, as you can see, Bahrain treats their expats quite nicely


In addition, all the manual labor workers which are mostly Indian, Pakistani, Indonesian, Philipino are pretty happy with the conditions they are working here. I talk to alot since I get involved into alot of different situations. But I rarely heard any negative comments about workers. All the westerners that work in Bahrain love it so much! As I said we are pretty friendly .
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
January 04 2010 09:55 GMT
#30
So I will be there 2 weeks from now as it looks. I am actually based in Dhahran, Saudi-Arabia, but since Bahrain seems to be so nice I'll try to be over there as much as possible.

So the OP is in Canada apparently, any Bahrainians (?) left there who want to meet up some time? I don't know exact dates yet but I'll be there at one or more of the (Arabian) weekends 2-5 weeks from now I am sure. Anything I should definitely visit? I will check out the mosque and the markets, what else is a must? Can you recommend an area to look for hotels in? What is a local specialty to try for dinner?

Also, since I will probably be around there for a while, how much are short distance flights in that area? Like to the Red Sea or Dubai (gotta check out that tower...). When I was looking for flights Gulf Air offered to take me to Dubai and back for like 25 Euro (48 BHD?) which seemed a bit too cheap to be true.
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 04 2010 15:04 GMT
#31
On January 04 2010 18:55 zatic wrote:
So I will be there 2 weeks from now as it looks. I am actually based in Dhahran, Saudi-Arabia, but since Bahrain seems to be so nice I'll try to be over there as much as possible.

So the OP is in Canada apparently, any Bahrainians (?) left there who want to meet up some time? I don't know exact dates yet but I'll be there at one or more of the (Arabian) weekends 2-5 weeks from now I am sure. Anything I should definitely visit? I will check out the mosque and the markets, what else is a must? Can you recommend an area to look for hotels in? What is a local specialty to try for dinner?

Also, since I will probably be around there for a while, how much are short distance flights in that area? Like to the Red Sea or Dubai (gotta check out that tower...). When I was looking for flights Gulf Air offered to take me to Dubai and back for like 25 Euro (48 BHD?) which seemed a bit too cheap to be true.


The only Bahrainian's left from TL is Samachking, give him a PM! About the other questions, yeah definitely visit the local markets and the grand mosque these are a must! As for really nice areas to stay at is Juffair which is known for its huge population of foreigners, night life, and immense amount of shops and restaurants! As for dinners, definitely go to Mohammed Noor (its a local resturant that serves local dishes, really great food! Be sure to go with Samach there, he knows it well, he also knows lots of restaurants since he is our sort of food guru if you may LOL!), also eat lots of turkish grills as they are the most awesome thing you want to experience there! Brilliant! Local Flights are so cheap! I saw ads for 10BD on low cost airlines, and its not bad cuz its like what 45min to dubai lol! Yeah Juffair and the seaf area ( ask for these) have great restaurants and great atmosphere! If I was there I would have taken you to more places and shown you lots of stuff! I can count on samach if he would may, so definitely ask him! I will think of more stuff and I will post ^^
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 04 2010 15:06 GMT
#32
And I would have recommended the water park and some other stuff, but the season is so unpredictable with all the on/off rain and shit and its not so fun unless its the summer!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
January 04 2010 17:12 GMT
#33
On December 11 2009 14:03 Dknight wrote:
I don't think comparing it to Dubai is any good. Especially with all the stories coming out on how they treat their workers and foreigners. =(

It's not. If you go to Dubai, you're unlikely to meet any native citizen.
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DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 04 2010 18:57 GMT
#34
On January 05 2010 02:12 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 14:03 Dknight wrote:
I don't think comparing it to Dubai is any good. Especially with all the stories coming out on how they treat their workers and foreigners. =(

It's not. If you go to Dubai, you're unlikely to meet any native citizen.

100% true!
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 04 2010 19:34 GMT
#35
yeah, bahrain instantly reminded me of dubai as well. glad to hear the expats are treated nicer, though. dubai has a lot swept under its rug
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