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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
December 04 2009 05:56 GMT
#21
On December 04 2009 14:53 jalstar wrote:
No just something in the style of match 7 where they have a tiebreaker between two players who each take a match off each other.


I'm posting once more then leaving this blog because I question your mental capacity.

MSL group stages are DOUBLE ELIMINATION. That means, once you lose twice, you are out. It doesn't matter who is 1-1 vs. who, whoever loses twice is the loser. If you have a problem with the MSL group stages, then you have a problem with every double elimination bracket known to man.

This could happen in ANY double elim bracket - Player A beats Player B in the Round of 16, later loses to C in the Round of 4. Player B whacked through the lower bracket until he meets Player A again. He beats him. A is out, B moves on. But in your screwed up logic, there should be a tiebreaker because versus each other, they are 1-1.

That is not the point of a bracket. That is the point of a Bo3 or a group stage.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 04 2009 18:09 GMT
#22

"But in your screwed up logic, there should be a tiebreaker because versus each other, they are 1-1."

Screwed up? The winner's bracket is harder than the loser's bracket, so it's far more likely for a player to lose there.

I guess I do have a problem with double elimination in general because it matters when you lose. Take the recent IeSF between oov, Yellow, Chrh, and Reach. oov beat Reach in the initial game but lost in the final game. For me, it doesn't matter that oov lost to Yellow or Reach beat Chrh, because neither got to play the same opponent, and we don't know if Reach would have beaten Yellow or oov to Chrh. The only information we have as to who was better than the other was that they're 1-1 against each other. Why not have a final game?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 04 2009 19:15 GMT
#23
On December 04 2009 13:53 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 13:23 jalstar wrote:
On December 04 2009 13:13 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
On December 04 2009 12:21 EvoChamber wrote:
Player A is a very good Protoss player who has an annoying habit of underestimating his opponents in the group stages of individual leagues.
Player B is a up-and-coming Protoss player who has promise but has yet to prove himself in any league, individual or team.
Player C was once the greatest Zerg in the world.
Player D is one of the countless mid-level Terrans with good mechanics and a preference for long macro games.

Blogger E believes that there is some other way for Players A, B, C, and D to prove that they are better or worse than one another than winning and losing games against each other. Blogger E makes a blog post F expressing this belief without putting forward an alternative format because there isn't one.

Star G is a lonely star. He's blue, but the four stars to his right are gray. He curses blog post F and blogger E and wishes he could disappear and become a gray star just like all the others.

So very awesome. Hat's off to you, sir.


Why did neither of you read the OP


That was a pretty accurate summary of your blog post, which was pretty bad by the way. What would your alternative be?

Except for the fact that he explicitly said he's not caught up on MSL. That would imply that EvoChamber's characterizations about why he made this blog post are moot because if he hasn't watched those games yet, he couldn't possibly follow the logic EvoChamber thinks he followed.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 04 2009 19:57 GMT
#24
On December 04 2009 13:16 lazz wrote:
i hate the ro32 format. it should just be bo3 until ro8 or whatever. the elimination format hurts players who have to prepare for multiple races and it encourages cheesing


I strongly agree with this.

GOMTV showed us that we still had a few fluke players up in the RO8, but generally the best players tended to win or get to the finals (JD, Flash 2x, Bisu, Jangbi,etc).
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8554 Posts
December 05 2009 01:24 GMT
#25
But it's also boring. Variety is good.
Jaedong
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
December 05 2009 02:29 GMT
#26
Player B and Player C are good players with about 50% win rate in proleague.

And it doesn't really matter because neither of them should win the league.
There are flaws with any system, but the MSL does a fair enough job as quickly as possible.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 05 2009 07:16 GMT
#27
Maybe this is why MSL is not as popular in Korea?
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
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