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WhiteNights
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-17 02:31:14
November 17 2009 02:30 GMT
#1
So I'm going to start ICCUPing again (D level) after a long break... but I hate economy play. So I'm just going to one-base every game. I'm a protoss player but I offrace TvP. Here is the plan:

vZ:
gas forge turbo +1 into two gate slow zealots followed up with either proxy elevator or three gate citadel timing break before lair tech

v Terran:
two gate power goon into zealot bombs

v Protoss:
two shop tanks into scv-rine-tank push with rally upgraded vultures (joyo push)

There are various intricacies and various reasons for this plain to fail, but as far as I'm concerned none of these are *that* cheesy (two fact was standard; two gate goon is standard; turbo +1 very much not standard but you can see it coming a mile away so if you get demolished it's your fault like that C- guy who was thought "wtf this build clearly this D kid has no idea what he's doing" "oh right i should have added sunkens"). It should only beat people who try to do dumb things like not add sunkens, expand on three dragoons without scouting expo, or 14cc.

will tell you how it goes in this thread

(this post is change from previous emo blog)

*
May your sky be always clear, may your smile be always bright, and may you be forever blessed for that moment of happiness which you gave to another lonely and grateful heart!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 17 2009 02:34 GMT
#2
Hmmm... well let us know how it goes. I wish you the best.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-17 02:35:39
November 17 2009 02:34 GMT
#3
oh? in D rank, 9 pool for 3 hours 4-7PM EST
It never fails...
DO NOT DO IT PAST 10. KOREANS WILL RAID

if they are D- 600 or less points, as protoss, proxy your base in their main. theyll never see it coming

terran... i cant help you there
GL
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 17 2009 02:36 GMT
#4
You aren't going to get very good doing that. However, you will probably get to D+/C- and hit a brick wall, if you're satisfied with that.
RIP Aaliyah
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 17 2009 02:36 GMT
#5
err... gl...
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 17 2009 02:43 GMT
#6
That PvZ build sounds terrible.
Traveler
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States451 Posts
November 17 2009 03:25 GMT
#7
I like jsut going mass sair + zealot in PvZ, nothing like killing their supply while sending endless waves of zeals into them, of course it gets raped by lurkers, but if I see lurkers I just swicth over to goon heavy.
Can you ever argue in favor of something without first proving it?
FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
November 17 2009 03:30 GMT
#8
My version is PvT stove, TvZ gay 1base mech, TvP marine vessel ghost.
Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
November 17 2009 04:19 GMT
#9
On November 17 2009 11:43 koreasilver wrote:
That PvZ build sounds terrible.



NO. Shhhh. It sounds good. Right everyone?

+ Show Spoiler +
don't you want free wins?

meow
nicoaldo
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina939 Posts
November 17 2009 04:38 GMT
#10
go 2 gate into tech or 1 gate goon reaver PvZ is much better than that and very funny (you will get masslinged a lot though)
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
November 17 2009 04:40 GMT
#11
PvT:
Start like 1 gate obs (he will scout 1 gate, maaybe 1 gate robo, but other than that he'll have nothing), cut probes after robo and add 2 gate, make sure you build 1 zeal before your round of 3 zeal (so you have 4, duh), build obs after shuttle and go. I often delay a bit for the obs so I can get ideal zealbomb position with mines and such.
This would probably be more viable than a two gate -> zealbomb variation because it conceals your aggression a bit better because they scout one gate and a spinning core, and maybe even long enough to see that you don't put down a robo bay.
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
November 17 2009 04:58 GMT
#12
where is the stove in all this??
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 17 2009 05:18 GMT
#13
how about 2gate proxy vT, 2gate proxy vP, 2gate proxy vZ
:)
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
November 17 2009 05:29 GMT
#14
As Zerg, my fav cheese to do against dirty FE protoss is all in lings. You move in with all ur lings just as corsair scouts it. BAM... a few C- went down to me.
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kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
November 17 2009 05:37 GMT
#15
On November 17 2009 14:29 lone_hydra wrote:
As Zerg, my fav cheese to do against dirty FE protoss is all in lings. You move in with all ur lings just as corsair scouts it. BAM... a few C- went down to me.


i hate u
Always
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States376 Posts
November 17 2009 06:01 GMT
#16
grr cheese. =(
"Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error." - Linus Pauling
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 17 2009 07:01 GMT
#17
You should change PvZ to goon/reaver. Reavers are much more fun to use than, erm... slow lots
Trucy Wright is hot
WhiteNights
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 00:15:57
November 18 2009 00:12 GMT
#18
zerg reports -

god zerg simcities are annoying esp. when they have many many drone

i vote we only play on chokeless rampless maps in future

i can go into the base kill some drones and snipe the spire but i keep getting pushed out by lings and sunkens O.o this shouldn't happen

no elevators because opponents keep massing hydraling for some reason

also i lost to somebody who did mass hydraling into lurker doom drop (no detection wut); i countered at his main with expensive units but didn't have any detection so i left after busting five sunkens and the nat; i turtled up in my third with mass slow reavers/archon/dark archon; killed tons of lurkers and zerglings and ultras in slow push but then i mined out

also i must perfect the turbo +1 build i keep missing timings

terran reports -

blargh one fact siege expand is too safe for zealot bomb play; i can kill all tanks but then dragoons get pushed out by scv+new tank; also i can't play on more than two bases as protoss it is too hard

protoss reports -

only two game i got backstabbed so my tanks were in front instead of in back and it died v. fast

the other game i accidentally walled myself in with a depot on heartbreak

it's okay we'll start winning games soon

just you watch
May your sky be always clear, may your smile be always bright, and may you be forever blessed for that moment of happiness which you gave to another lonely and grateful heart!
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
November 18 2009 00:35 GMT
#19
Now that Luna is motw, go 9/10 gates vs every race, gates infront of natural .Also remember to say GG when ur opponent is going to die and before he gets to say it ...
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
November 18 2009 01:05 GMT
#20
On November 18 2009 09:12 WhiteNights wrote:
no elevators because opponents keep massing hydraling for some reason

wtf nooobs
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
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