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Stewie is gay. Nobody cares, if viewers don't get it by now they never will.
When the writers have little to no material so they use Meg a joke to get things rolling. We get it.
Brian is an Atheist, and George Bush was the worst person alive.
Chris is just there.
The fact that I can guess when the "remember when/this is like" means others can as well. And what the fuck is up with all the rape jokes, seriously? Is this what the show has come to just rape, drugs, and domestic abuse jokes?
I miss Futurama.
   
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Also, The Cleveland Show sucks.
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I haven't seen the Ceveland show but Futurama is dumb.
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Family guy is bad and repetitive. I don't want to have to deal with the generaiton of idiots who think there stupid repetitive joke is XD SO FUNNY because it was on Family Guy.
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Family guy is very funny.
Compared to American Dad.
But still pretty bad.
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On October 30 2009 18:01 KarlSberg~ wrote: Family guy is very funny.
Compared to American Dad.
But still pretty bad. I honestly think American Dad has surpassed Family Guy. The characters are weak (paranoid, right wing father, laid back daughter, geeky son, unremarkable wife, with some wacky shit like talking fish and aliens thrown in for good measure), but it's much lighter on the flashback humor, doesn't feature as many extended musical numbers, and there are more fresh plot lines to build on.
My opinion of popular animated shows:
The Simpsons
10 in their prime, 2 several seaons ago, 5 now
Futurama
Pretty steady 7/8
South Park
2 early seasons, 6 mid seasons, 4 now
Family Guy
5 early seasons, 3 now
American Dad
6
Cleveland Show
1
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I liked Family Guy when it originally aired, and I was 12-13. Episodes were okay when the show came back, but nothing spectacular. I watched the first few episodes of American Dad when it premiered, and I thought it was the biggest hunk of shit ever. I've heard from pretty much everyone that its gotten better since then, but I haven't been willing to give it another chance.
As for the Cleveland Show, with the way I feel about Family Guy and American Dad now, I wouldn't even bother watching a spin off of a show that's only okay.
I heard they canceled King of the Hill for it though, which is sad, granted I haven't watched King of the Hill in a few years.
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Osaka27128 Posts
Anybody remember Duckman? Best fucking show ever.
Also {CC}StealthBlue, you are angry AGAIN. WE GET IT.
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lol how can you not appreciate family guy
Some of the most clever jokes ever but people don't even notice because they are too busy getting bent out of shape about silly stuff.
edit: Manifesto: Duckman hahaha yeah I remember it was on right after weird science!
edit 2: I think people who rate it less than 7 out of 10 really aren't getting it after all.
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I could not agree with you more! Family guy is the worst show ever.
I've never seen a show so repeating and lame as this one in my life. The worst thing is douche bags giving me url to remember when jokes on youtube!
South Park is my favorite! Chicken and cow.
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family guy is awesome ! i hate you
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Southpark can swings to large extremes... still so long there are good episodes every now and then it's alright
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Coming to the defense of Family Guy here, for the simple reason that the show is NOT predictable. The whole deal with Family Guy is the randomness of the jokes, often completely surprising you. Yes, we know that some of the characters behave like they do. Great analysis. It's their character.
But then all of a sudden Peter, dressed as Mary Poppins, falls ontop of two kids, vomiting and crying as he realizes he's killed them both before using his umbrella to slide them under the bed and escaping out the window. I mean you can laugh or cry, but you did not see that coming.
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On October 30 2009 19:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Anybody remember Duckman? Best fucking show ever.
Also {CC}StealthBlue, you are angry AGAIN. WE GET IT.
Holy shit I loved Duckman.
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But then all of a sudden Peter, dressed as Mary Poppins, falls ontop of two kids, vomiting and crying as he realizes he's killed them both before using his umbrella to slide them under the bed and escaping out the window. I mean you can laugh or cry, but you did not see that coming.
The point isn't that we didn't know they were about to make a joke involving Mary Poppins. The point is that you know exactly when they're about to cut to one of their "omg sooooo random" sketches, and you know exactly what to expect. Fans say it's fantastic how random and unpredictable they are, but honestly i just think it's dumb, unimaginative and repetitive.
Making the same joke strictly following the "Remember the time i did X with X?" template, inserting two random pop culture references that will make college students squeal with delight isn't creative in the slightest. I've also never seen any subtlety that apparently exists. I've been told it's there, but never been shown an example.
IMO, at their absolute best
simpsons > south park > futurama > family guy
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Family guy should be considered as easy watching, you can work on something and have FG playing in corner. But that's pretty much all it's useful though.
Every episode has this scene: Peter says: remember the time when I ...
American dad is junk, I can't understand how anyone can watch such junk
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On October 30 2009 20:46 MakkurtE wrote:Show nested quote +But then all of a sudden Peter, dressed as Mary Poppins, falls ontop of two kids, vomiting and crying as he realizes he's killed them both before using his umbrella to slide them under the bed and escaping out the window. I mean you can laugh or cry, but you did not see that coming. The point isn't that we didn't know they were about to make a joke involving Mary Poppins. The point is that you know exactly when they're about to cut to one of their "omg sooooo random" sketches, and you know exactly what to expect. Fans say it's fantastic how random and unpredictable they are, but honestly i just think it's dumb, unimaginative and repetitive. Making the same joke strictly following the "Remember the time i did X with X?" template, inserting two random pop culture references that will make college students squeal with delight isn't creative in the slightest. I've also never seen any subtlety that apparently exists. I've been told it's there, but never been shown an example. IMO, at their absolute best simpsons > south park > futurama > family guy Uh what you described as 'what fans like about family guy' is not what's actually good about family guy. The best parts of family guy also have nothing to do with that format southpark made fun of. If you do not realize this you are too ignorant on what family guy offers to make any kind of a fair judgment.
On October 30 2009 20:53 Pritler wrote: Family guy should be considered as easy watching, you can work on something and have FG playing in corner. But that's pretty much all it's useful though.
Every episode has this scene: Peter says: remember the time when I ... No it is not easy watching at all and this shows you don't get family guy at all. It's all satire, parody, and other things that you have to actually pay attention for. If I was doing work while watdching 'when you wish upon a weinstein' for example, I would not have realized that they were parodying the graduate when louis tried to prevent chris from getting bar-mitzvah'd, and I wouldn't have laughed at the technically accurate hebrew either. You can't appreciate family guy without giving it your full attention and I think that's why so many people think it's bleh... they are just taking it at face value and not stopping to try to appreciate it (to their great loss).
Anyone who says they don't see the subtlety needs to stop and watch it carefully... although many people won't get it either way I guess if you lack the life experience to see what they are referencing (little kids like the silly crap they do (the childish humor thrown in for contrast) and don't realize there is a deeper level)
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England2657 Posts
Ok, ignoring angry people moaning about TV shows. I am very upset not to see anyone mention The Venture Bros in this thread. Hmm, I don't think I've read about it on this website but that's now the point. Look it up on wikipedia and go watch it instead of rating various cartoons like they're the only ones that exist. It's incredibly funny.
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Family Guy = Sketch show, it doesn't really pretend to be otherwise any more, they even take the piss out of them selves about it, granted some of the preachy political statements are pretty annoying and repetitive, but I just tune those out. + Show Spoiler + The magical thing about it is if you don't like it you don't have to watch it.
But for the record futurama(at its prime)> south park(at its prime)>simpsons(at its prime) > family guy(at its prime) with the simpsons and family guy swapping when you consider their worst seasons.
The life and times of Tim deserves an honourable mention even if its not a big enough show to get ranked.
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Family Guy has the absolute worst musical bits ever. Other than that, the formulas, and lack of follow-through (which some might consider a great thing, because it ends up not being as preachy as the Simpsons or South Park), it's a rather decent show. It has some great bits, for the most part is recyclable garbage, but hey, we live in a world where there is this magical thing called "other channels" and "the internet", in which if (like me) you don't really like something, you can just find something else.
The people who whine about FG must have seen too much of it to be anything but CLOSET FANS. Yeah, I said it. You're trying to show everyone what ironic hipsters you are, but you just LOOOOOVE it. You won't smile or laugh because it's not clever enough for you, but YOU WANT IT. It makes you all tingly and emotional in ways that you can't fully understand but crave for anyways. In short, it's not called rape if you come back for more again, and again, and again.
I've seen 80, maybe 90 minutes of it (in various fragments of episodes)... and always ended up watching something else instead. Not my thing I guess.
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On October 30 2009 21:07 Flicky wrote: Ok, ignoring angry people moaning about TV shows. I am very upset not to see anyone mention The Venture Bros in this thread. Hmm, I don't think I've read about it on this website but that's now the point. Look it up on wikipedia and go watch it instead of rating various cartoons like they're the only ones that exist. It's incredibly funny. Also, Harvy Birdman
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On October 30 2009 19:42 axion wrote: South Park is my favorite! Chicken and cow.
"Chicken and cow frame dolphin and whale-u?!"
"Good job son. Now the Japanese are just like us."
Good episode! + Show Spoiler +I don't actually watch South Park, but my friend showed this ep to me.
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Ah here, spare me the "you just don't get it" spiel. I see what it offers. It's still shit. That's not high satire. There's nothing there that hasn't been done far better far long ago imo. Family guy is (still) on the air for the sole reason of it's zany sketch factor.
But fine, i'll compromise, what i described as "what fans like about family guy", is what" 99% of fans i've heard espress their opinion" like about family guy. I wouldn't want to generalise.
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Family guy isn't a show for intellectuals of course, but I still enjoy watching it and it's very funny to me. But this picture sums it up pretty well:
American Dad and the Cleveland Show suck ass though.
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On October 30 2009 17:01 Kennigit wrote: Also, The Cleveland Show sucks.
the cleveland show owns so hard
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On October 30 2009 21:59 Kazius wrote: Family Guy has the absolute worst musical bits ever. Other than that, the formulas, and lack of follow-through (which some might consider a great thing, because it ends up not being as preachy as the Simpsons or South Park), it's a rather decent show. It has some great bits, for the most part is recyclable garbage, but hey, we live in a world where there is this magical thing called "other channels" and "the internet", in which if (like me) you don't really like something, you can just find something else.
The people who whine about FG must have seen too much of it to be anything but CLOSET FANS. Yeah, I said it. You're trying to show everyone what ironic hipsters you are, but you just LOOOOOVE it. You won't smile or laugh because it's not clever enough for you, but YOU WANT IT. It makes you all tingly and emotional in ways that you can't fully understand but crave for anyways. In short, it's not called rape if you come back for more again, and again, and again.
I've seen 80, maybe 90 minutes of it (in various fragments of episodes)... and always ended up watching something else instead. Not my thing I guess. I don't think you've seen enough of it to make such a detailed analysis... also if you didn't even watch some episodes from start to finish you will have a skewed view. I'm not saying you have to go watch it right now and love it but don't say negative things about it from your brief experience with it. Also, their musical bits have many bad things you can reasonably say about them, but they also have man good things that you don't seem to be aware of.
On October 30 2009 22:41 MakkurtE wrote: Ah here, spare me the "you just don't get it" spiel. I see what it offers. It's still shit. That's not high satire. There's nothing there that hasn't been done far better far long ago imo. Family guy is (still) on the air for the sole reason of it's zany sketch factor.
But fine, i'll compromise, what i described as "what fans like about family guy", is what" 99% of fans i've heard espress their opinion" like about family guy. I wouldn't want to generalise. Your experience with family guy fans doesn't bother me since I'm not really trying to defend family guy fans. However I'm not convinced that you 'get it' and simply find it to be crap... if you could somehow justify the stance it might be different... but I have a feeling it is just unjust bias for whatever reason.
On October 30 2009 22:56 ghostWriter wrote: Family guy isn't a show for intellectuals of course, but I still enjoy watching it and it's very funny to me. I don't agree with this... if you are far from an intellectual then you won't get family guy... and you also want to be wordly to get all the references they make.... I don't get them all so sometimes I drop a question into conversation with my parents to find out who such-and-such is/was.
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Yea family guy is just terrible now.
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On October 30 2009 23:34 Snet wrote: Yea family guy is just terrible now. I haven't watched it in a few seasons so I'm depressed to hear this.
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I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. The music bits / pointless situations got annoying real fast
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So fucking tired of this elitist attitude.
The reason family guy is funny is because it does skits that are close to real life situations and portrays them like a lot of people would if they had the resources to do so. It also draws on observational humor that I'm sure the vast majority of people use at least once daily between their friends.
It's fucking funny cuz it does jokes on things that no other show does. Just like South Park, The Simpsons, Futurama all have their own charm Family Guy is a different comedy show.
Like honestly, what other show is gonna have the cookie monster put into rehab trying to light a spoonful of cookie dough in the bathroom.
Come the fuck on. If you don't like the ' vehicle ' in which the jokes are delivered then boo fucking hoo, DONT WATCH IT.
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Norway28575 Posts
not_a_notion's show-ranking is the most accurate I have ever seen, as it happens to be the same one I would make.
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ugh you guys take comedy way too seriously
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On October 30 2009 23:19 micronesia wrote:
I don't agree with this... if you are far from an intellectual then you won't get family guy... and you also want to be wordly to get all the references they make.... I don't get them all so sometimes I drop a question into conversation with my parents to find out who such-and-such is/was.
Well, yeah they make a lot of references, but you just have to be culturally aware to understand references, which is different from being an intellectual. Also, a lot of their jokes tend to be scatological, which don't really require intelligence to understand.
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Katowice25012 Posts
To be fair a lot of this isn't directly Seth McFarlane's fault, he has a tiny writing staff and most of them suck and are spread across 3 shows. You can usually tell which episodes of which shows he worked on, because they're the ones that don't totally suck.
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Baa?21242 Posts
I like American Dad better than Family Guy :S
I've never had a high opinion of Family Guy - sure there are absolutely hilarious episodes, but there's too much terrible stuff between the good stuff. I'll still watch it if I see it on TV over many many other things though, so it's not -that- bad.
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On October 31 2009 01:25 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 23:19 micronesia wrote:
I don't agree with this... if you are far from an intellectual then you won't get family guy... and you also want to be wordly to get all the references they make.... I don't get them all so sometimes I drop a question into conversation with my parents to find out who such-and-such is/was.
Well, yeah they make a lot of references, but you just have to be culturally aware to understand references, which is different from being an intellectual. Also, a lot of their jokes tend to be scatological, which don't really require intelligence to understand. Neither the 'reference jokes' nor scatological jokes are the reason why you need to be an intellectual to get family guy. Nor do you truly have to be an intellectual, but it generally helps since there is so much subtlety and indirect humor... as satire often is.
edit: Ack1027 pretty good point
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edit: we need a way to block me from quoting myself instead of editing lol
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Hmm. How about this. Maybe it's you who isn't intellectual and worldy enough to fully understand it. As in you might be overly impressed by it because you haven't experienced proper satire. Sounds like bullshit right? Well yeah, it is. But IMO it's no more/less bullshitty then you suggesting likewise for anyone who doesn't like.
Honestly, i really just don't get how you think so highly of it, and don't see the levels of subtlety you do. I'm sure you'll roll your eyes and assume it's because i'm too thick, but honestly, it's just nothing i haven't seen before, done better, with better writing, characters, and humour. That said i haven't seen an episode of the past 3 seasons, and don't plan on doing so. So perhaps it's a very different show these days, but i doubt it
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On October 31 2009 03:27 MakkurtE wrote: Hmm. How about this. Maybe it's you who isn't intellectual and worldy enough to fully understand it. As in you might be overly impressed by it because you haven't experienced proper satire. Sounds like bullshit right? Well yeah, it is. But IMO it's no more/less bullshitty then you suggesting likewise for anyone who doesn't like.
Honestly, i really just don't get how you think so highly of it, and don't see the levels of subtlety you do. I'm sure you'll roll your eyes and assume it's because i'm too thick, but honestly, it's just nothing i haven't seen before, done better, with better writing, characters, and humour. That said i haven't seen an episode of the past 3 seasons, and don't plan on doing so. So perhaps it's a very different show these days, but i doubt it Honestly I don't know what the past few years have been like... I go mainly by the first 5 or so seasons. If you were really interested I could pick an episode I liked and point out all the reasons why it was so great, but the hilarity and cleverness will kinda get lost in the transliteration so I'm not sure if it will help.
I'm certainly open to differences of opinion where you can say something like "eh I don't really like it all that much" but most of the opinions in this thread have been that it is pretty much terrible, and I am definitely banking on me being right much more than them being right (regardless of bullshittyness)
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I miss the old moralizing bart centered simpsons.
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On October 31 2009 00:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: not_a_notion's show-ranking is the most accurate I have ever seen, as it happens to be the same one I would make.
Yep i agree. Futurama is easily the best. Followed by south park, then simpsons, then family guy.
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On October 31 2009 05:43 Probe. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2009 00:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: not_a_notion's show-ranking is the most accurate I have ever seen, as it happens to be the same one I would make. Futurama is easily the best. Family guy is easily the best.
+ Show Spoiler +Wow it's like a tl religious debate!!!
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Comparing Futurama and Family Guy is apples and oranges. They have different types of humor and different types of character interactions. Family Guy does more of the slapstick, pop culture mimicry humor. Futurama has more character development and satire of modern technology/social norms.
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Most of the cartoons mentioned here have nothing in common besides the fact that they're all cartoons. It's totally different styles of humor. South Park tends to make fun of stupid shit in society, Family Guy is just random, etc...
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Man, what the hell is up with the Cleveland Show? I had no idea that the show even existed until I watched an episode thinking it was a Family Guy.
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Micro/Ack, we won't win. TL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52255 But i'll try anyways:
People argue that Futurama has a plot, has a story arc, and that family guy doesn't blah blah. But when it boils down to it, these are comedy shows. Not dramas. It's not like family guy has incoherent babble and only random jokes or pop references (btw Futurama does the same shit to a lesser extent and fails miserably). There is generally a story in the episode, which is the basis for most of the jokes and such. The story may be basic and not relate to any other episode but who the fuck cares? Simpsons and many other shows use the same formula. The fact that you are watching comedy shows for great story arcs and clever plot lines is as retarded as watching the daily show for your news. So don't come in arguing that Futurama is a better show because it clearly isn't, and you Futurama guys even admit it.
The other main point you Futurama fans have, is that FG has the same jokes recycled over and over and that they always do the flashback style random jokes. They have done this often but it's not the ONLY jokes in the show. There are hundreds? of jokes in the episode and you guys single out 1 style of gag and call the whole show bad? How bout if I do the same thing; "Futurama is lame, they always just do jokes about how dumb Fry is and cut him off or ignore him", or "Bender is a robot, they always make jokes about how much he's a stubborn robot", and you can pretty much do the same thing with every character in the show..That is neither clever, funny, or plot related btw. Oh, and guess what? They do this Fry is dumb joke like 10 times EVERY episode, at least.
Comedy shows are comedy shows. If the show is not as funny as the other, then it's obviously not better. If you claim otherwise then you are basically saying the show is not a comedy show, and then if you compare it with something that is not comedy, it also loses. So I guess your more "intelligent, acquired taste" show is actually some kind of retarded hybrid that was cancelled and has succumb to making straight to DVD movies that also blow. Have fun watching those, but don't tell me how much better futurama is than any other show, because it is not.
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charlie, get over yourself
all tv is repetitive, it's written to be that way. the intent of any show is to be consistent and believable, jokes derived from characterizations are always going to feel that way, you play to an audience's expectations, not confound them. if people prefer A style to B style, that's fine.
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On October 31 2009 06:21 Hawk wrote: Family Guy is just random You think the most outstanding characteristic of family guy is that it is presented in a very random way?
edit: btw I agree that comparing these shows is difficult (hence your apples/oranges reference) but at the same time one show could definitely be better than another overall from a majority (or reasonably backed up) perspective.
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I WAITED FOR YOU FRY.......
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Stewie is bicurious, not gay. Though I get how everyone says he's gay, most people like things to be black and white.
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is awesome32269 Posts
how can anyone rank South Park above The Simpsons (both in their prime). lol
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On October 31 2009 09:35 IntoTheWow wrote: how can anyone rank South Park above The Simpsons (both in their prime). lol I haven't seen that many episodes of either of them but at its peak South Park can be pretty damn awesome I have to admit... I've never found the Simpsons to be amazingly good but I could have just seen mostly bleh episodes... not that it's bad.
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On October 31 2009 09:33 Chuiu wrote: Stewie is bicurious, not gay. Though I get how everyone says he's gay, most people like things to be black and white. I did fall for that girl who just wanted cookies. But he also likes men. I'd say this is correct
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I feel right, Brian. I feel right.
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On October 31 2009 09:40 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2009 09:33 Chuiu wrote: Stewie is bicurious, not gay. Though I get how everyone says he's gay, most people like things to be black and white. I did fall for that girl who just wanted cookies. But he also likes men. I'd say this is correct Also the girl he was teaching how to not speak in a horrible accent iirc. And yea there are times where he notices how beautiful girls are (like his mother for example) and hits on them or whatever.
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On October 31 2009 07:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:Micro/Ack, we won't win. TL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52255But i'll try anyways: People argue that Futurama has a plot, has a story arc, and that family guy doesn't blah blah. But when it boils down to it, these are comedy shows. Not dramas. It's not like family guy has incoherent babble and only random jokes or pop references (btw Futurama does the same shit to a lesser extent and fails miserably). There is generally a story in the episode, which is the basis for most of the jokes and such. The story may be basic and not relate to any other episode but who the fuck cares? Simpsons and many other shows use the same formula. The fact that you are watching comedy shows for great story arcs and clever plot lines is as retarded as watching the daily show for your news.
Wow I cant believe I agree with CharlieMurphy but especially this paragraph is so so damn true. And its even more ridiculous when you watch it from a south park point of view, I mean WHO THE FUCK watches south park because of the great plot and because they are so interested in the development of the story? yup, nobody.
On October 30 2009 23:35 micronesia wrote:I haven't watched it in a few seasons so I'm depressed to hear this.
Go watch the first episode of the new season, imo it's family guy at its best.
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why argue its tlnet
why post
lol
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from youtube comments:
Actually, I've found Family Guy to be a great test of one's character, to find out if they'll turn out to be a complete twat later on.
Those who hate this show are usually religious, republican, a right wing crack pot, uneducated, gay haters, take being an adult WAY too seriously, hate liberals or democrats, uneducated, white trash or redneck, old fashioned, conservative, or just painfully stupid.
People who enjoy this show are usually educated, fun, intelligent, and live in reality. FFS. Why do so many Family Guy lovers sound like this? It's absolutely insufferable. So many people defending a show that's LOLRANDOM and claiming they like it because they are intelligent. Yeah people who don't like it obviously don't get it because it's so deep (and lolrandom) and those people are dumb.
You know what else sucks? Are You Being Served. Some people praise it for being different, and British, and if you don't like it you don't get it, and British humor is superior and maybe you have to be smart to get it and blah blah blah. But it's terrible. What does this have to do with FG? Not a whole lot
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On October 31 2009 11:40 MamiyaOtaru wrote:from youtube comments: Show nested quote +Actually, I've found Family Guy to be a great test of one's character, to find out if they'll turn out to be a complete twat later on.
Those who hate this show are usually religious, republican, a right wing crack pot, uneducated, gay haters, take being an adult WAY too seriously, hate liberals or democrats, uneducated, white trash or redneck, old fashioned, conservative, or just painfully stupid.
People who enjoy this show are usually educated, fun, intelligent, and live in reality. FFS. Why do so many Family Guy lovers sound like this? It's absolutely insufferable. So many people defending a show that's LOLRANDOM and claiming they like it because they are intelligent. Yeah people who don't like it obviously don't get it because it's so deep (and lolrandom) and those people are dumb. You know what else sucks? Are You Being Served. Some people praise it for being different, and British, and if you don't like it you don't get it, and British humor is superior and maybe you have to be smart to get it and blah blah blah. But it's terrible. What does this have to do with FG? Not a whole lot Which came first? The family guy hater or the family guy annoying fan?
edit: also most of the people who are accused of 'not getting it' just haven't given it enough of a chance or have the wrong attitude.
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On October 31 2009 07:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:Micro/Ack, we won't win. TL http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52255But i'll try anyways: People argue that Futurama has a plot, has a story arc, and that family guy doesn't blah blah. But when it boils down to it, these are comedy shows. Not dramas. It's not like family guy has incoherent babble and only random jokes or pop references (btw Futurama does the same shit to a lesser extent and fails miserably). There is generally a story in the episode, which is the basis for most of the jokes and such. The story may be basic and not relate to any other episode but who the fuck cares? Simpsons and many other shows use the same formula.
You must have missed the majority of the vintage-era Simpsons, because although the nature of the show was in stand-alone episodes, the singular pieces were very plot driven, and almost all the humor in a given episode was derived from the situations the characters found themselves in. Family Guy, on the other hand, is almost the exact opposite. The vast majority of the humor in the show is pop-culture reference, usually unrelated to the specific plot. While the show sometimes does fold in some clever bits, subtle parody and intelligent points, the crux of the formula is that overuse of arbitrary reference and non sequitur. What I don't understand is how people have convinced themselves that obscure references to Rex Harrison, Sandy Duncan, or musical theater are inherently funny or insightful. The real problem with Family Guy is that while it's occasionally wildly creative, that creativity seems to always manifest in the same narrow, constricting box.
The fact that you are watching comedy shows for great story arcs and clever plot lines is as retarded as watching the daily show for your news. So don't come in arguing that Futurama is a better show because it clearly isn't, and you Futurama guys even admit it.
This point of your post was especially baffling to me. You seem to be suggesting that good comedy not only doesn't have good plot lines, but that it shouldn't. The second sentence seems to be some kind of straw-man type shit, but it doesn't even make sense, so I can't respond to that. The constructed narrative and connected plots made the character development in Futurama really incredible.
The other main point you Futurama fans have, is that FG has the same jokes recycled over and over and that they always do the flashback style random jokes. They have done this often but it's not the ONLY jokes in the show. There are hundreds? of jokes in the episode and you guys single out 1 style of gag and call the whole show bad? How bout if I do the same thing; "Futurama is lame, they always just do jokes about how dumb Fry is and cut him off or ignore him", or "Bender is a robot, they always make jokes about how much he's a stubborn robot", and you can pretty much do the same thing with every character in the show..That is neither clever, funny, or plot related btw. Oh, and guess what? They do this Fry is dumb joke like 10 times EVERY episode, at least.
While the "remember when..." flashback scenes certainly aren't the only jokes in Family Guy, they're the most conspicuous example the specious humor in the show. Comparing it to the Fry/Bender v rest of the crew dynamic in Futurama is a bit of a fallacy. See, the repetition of something, alone, isn't necessarily a problem; mindless repetition is. Plenty of brilliant shows made their living with a repetitive callback/callforward style. The Fry/Bender jokes work because they connect an integral part of the character's being to the various stories. They don't serve to say "Hey, isn't Fry stupid?" as much as they do to maintain the fact that the character is stupid (albeit endearingly so), and those two things are different. Conversely, how many times have we seen Joe break or maim his legs at this point?
Comedy shows are comedy shows. If the show is not as funny as the other, then it's obviously not better. If you claim otherwise then you are basically saying the show is not a comedy show, and then if you compare it with something that is not comedy, it also loses. So I guess your more "intelligent, acquired taste" show is actually some kind of retarded hybrid that was cancelled and has succumb to making straight to DVD movies that also blow. Have fun watching those, but don't tell me how much better futurama is than any other show, because it is not.
First of all, "funny" is a subjective standard, and probably not the best rubric by which to judge all comedy shows. A show like The Office (UK) is brilliant, and loaded with dark humor, but it's not a show I'd be quick to describe as "funny". But, if we are to use that notion of "funny", Futurama would still win for me. Futurama is hilarious in such a casual, offhanded way that it's endlessly charming. There are lines that characters drop in conversation that, unless you know the show and the characters fairly well, seem like just standard dialogue. It's when you get into the show that you find all this woven humor, those hidden gems that make you crack up. Family Guy, on the flip side, is essentially a throw-away show, in the sense that I can watch an episode, maybe chuckle at some of the jokes, but eventually forget about it. Weaving dramatic elements or narrative into a comedy show doesn't make it a "retarded hybrid", it makes it richer entertainment in my opinion.
You make some point about Futurama being cancelled and making straight to DVD movies, a particularly odd insult coming from a Family Guy advocate, seeing as they took near mirror paths. After extensive fan support, Futurama is making a comeback, with a whole new season of episodes ordered by Comedy Central.
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United States1654 Posts
Nice post GOB, I completely agree.
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futurama was a great show i hope the new seasons are as good as all the old ones.i found family guy to be novelty humor in that i can watch a few episodes and find it really funny then get sick of it and the episodes are really hit or miss. futurama is just great and so many times more clever.
oh yeah the gay stewie jokes are so bad too. it's a shame because he used to be a good character
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Simpsons had the best parodies, though that doesn't necessarily make it funniest. I can remember certain Simpsons episodes, but I never remember certain family guy episodes, just a few sketches.
What really grinds my gears is how Seth MacFarlane craps on everyone about not being funny when he's not the comedic genius he thinks he is anymore.
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Osaka27128 Posts
On October 31 2009 10:35 Ack1027 wrote: why argue its tlnet
why post
lol So... you mean why express your opinion about something? The fact that people like a different animated show than you frustrates you? You are above posting on TL?
I dont get it, but you sound like a donk.
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