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"I know I'm crazy...I'm crazy...but please don't hate me."
Hmmmm. After thinking about it, Sagawa can't help the way he was born. His desire to eat a beautiful woman is just as strong as any normal persons desire to say, simply have sex with a hot babe. What he did was, of course, atrocious, but I think it was fair that he was judged as "incurably insane".
I just think he'd lived with these emotions and feelings his entire life, and eventually just "snapped" one day and lived out his desires. The fact that he's had multiple lovers and girlfriends that he's refrained from eating shows that he knows what he did was wrong.
Killing him or tossing him in a prison for the rest of his life won't accomplish anything and it won't change what he did. I'm sure it would make the family of the girl feel better, but I'd be more inclined to study the psychology behind his state of mind.
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Lastly, the worst. I didn’t know a thing about the Sagawa case and decided to go looking myself. I can’t really bear to go further in my research because it is beyond heartbreaking. I think it’s safe to say that the poor girl has been victimized by authorities and the media in both France and Japan. The French judge unilaterally decided there would be no trial (despite public outrage), and committed the SOB to a hospital. He was interviewed on French television, a French publisher got a hold of his prison diaries, and (worst of all, how is this even allowed?) Paris Match ran the autopsy photos—I couldn’t sleep last night. Finally, France deported him, then refused to provide Japanese authorities (who wanted to charge him) with the case files. To top off this hideous story, a Japanese psychiatrist pronounced the killer ‘cured’, and 5 years after the murder, he was a free man. His fame/infamy in Japan is more complex than the international media has reported. The name “Sagawa-kun” is not a sign of affection, but taken from the disquieting title of a novel “Sagawa-kun kara no tegami (Letters from Sagawa-kun)”, by Kara Juro, a Japanese playwright who was contacted by Sagawa about writing the screenplay of ‘his story’ after someone approached him while at the French hospital. The novel (which Sagawa opposed) is described as bleak, hallucinatory and existential, and won a prestigious literary prize. After his release, Sagawa himself took to producing memoirs, novels and ‘the psychology of a killer’ type of books, and his public appearances seem to mostly stem from those. He has apologists/champions among the self-declared avante-garde, and plies his trade as the resident Dr. Lecter whenever a particularly disturbing murder takes place. I found scant evidence that he has enjoyed any genuine acceptance in Japanese society. In a country where being a ‘regular’ ex-con or a psychiatric patient negatively impacts your life, it seems unlikely that most people see him with anything but fear and loathing. I found a mention that he was evicted from an apartment in late 2004 after the landlord discovered who he was. This is a description of the scene when he visited the backstage of a performance he was invited to: “As soon as he entered, the entire backstage was plunged into a grim, oppressive atmosphere. It was as though everyone had lowered their voice to a whisper and watching his every move. When Sagawa, seeing a box of sweets on the table, asked “Can I eat these too?”, every person jumped noticeably.” http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/佐川一政Someone on the trackback speculated about his father’s wartime occupation. I was curious myself, and this is what I found. His father was drafted, sent to Manchuria, then interned in Siberia. He flew to Paris after the arrest, and had his first stroke there. Sagawa’s mother had a nervous breakdown. For 20 years, the elder Sagawa seems to have paid his son’s rent (Issei Sagawa is not a particularly successful writer, it seems), despite the latter declaring that the crime was all his father’s fault for being overprotective. The elder Sagawa was increasingly incapacitated by a series of strokes, and died in 2005. His wife died the following day. The fascination that both the European and the Japanese press seem to hold for this twisted nothing of a person is infuriating. Is this the dark side of Old World arts culture, that seems to blindly value the experience of taboo transgression? Is it just too easy an acceptance of death and suffering, curdling into a particularly morbid and repulsive aesthetic? Is this why serial killer porn and gore sites are proliferating in the U.S. as well? I wonder if Renee Hartevelt’s parents are out there still, trying to live in a world that is more like Sagawa and less like their daughter.
Some other poster wrote this on a blog.
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On October 22 2009 10:21 3 Lions wrote:
what the fuck?
you're right, imo he should've gotten the death sentence
but you see, they're French.
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On October 23 2009 05:34 NoobsOfWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 05:21 food wrote:
This guy could be perfectly sane and reasonable as he is right now, he could also be more valuable and inspiring to society then most "normal" people are. To judge him based on his past without knowing him presently is unfair. Roman Polanski is another example. In reality not all people are equal under the law. Nothing is absolute. ..... what?
You sound surprised that a guy named food sympathizes with a cannibal
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On October 23 2009 08:04 food wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 06:38 Magic84 wrote:On October 23 2009 05:53 food wrote:On October 23 2009 05:33 snowbird wrote:Here's an excerpt of an interview with him (2009):
Do you still have these cannibalistic urges?
Oh yes, definitely. The desire to eat people becomes so intense around June, when women start wearing less and showing more skin. Just today, I saw a girl with a really nice derrière on my way to the train station. When I see things like that, I think about wanting to eat someone again before I die. So yes, I do still harbor these desires, and I specifically want to eat a Japanese woman this time. I think either sukiyaki or shabu shabu [lightly boiled thin slices] is the best way to go in order to really savor the natural flavor of the meat. Can you please call for people who would willingly be eaten by me in your magazine? There’s one condition, though: They have to be young, beautiful women.
source: here He has an army of readers to feed. It is a show he puts on in order to stay in the spotlight. If he expressed a serious desire to kill or posed any kind of threat he would be put into a mental institution. On October 23 2009 04:46 Magic84 wrote:
Well it's more logical to give this man to relatives, mother, father of victim and let them do what they want, kill, torture, dismember alive, feed to dogs.
This way it will be revenge and not only punishment based on morality and social perspective, revenge is a natural, healthy and proper thing to have for human psyche. As well as all the law protections and human rights could be lift off him, so anybody could kill or hurt him with no consequences. But that would create a lot of controversy and additional social problems, so it's better to kill him via official execution. In Russia, we eat people when they eat us Speaking of it, i wish we still had a death sentence in Russia and also many other things. All the current pro-liberal television bullshit just wrecks minds of people, i find it a social disaster when people come to the point of discussing if such man deserves to be alive, let alone free. And it's not just a forum trolling, it happens irl. This is a betrayal of inherent human side for the sake of fake morals and indifference. I would talk a lot about that. Russia is liberal? You need to wake up. You have just as much freedom as they want you to. You have a taste of it but you never seen beyond that. And from what you've said already seems like you want it to be even stricter. Some people are born slaves, there's nothing you can change. What's "betrayal of inherent human side"? Does it even mean anything? Kindness and forgiveness are "inherent human side" too or are they not? At least sort your shit out before unloading it. "Fake morals"? Where did you see that? I am the one saying that morals are bent all the time depending on situation and it's only natural. Basically you are stating that the general idea that this guy had to be prosecuted and either imprisoned or kept in a mental institution is "fake morals". You just threw some words out there that happened to be completely irrelevant. What about "indifference"? Who's indifferent, someone who gives criminal his second chance or someone who's centered on vengeance? You don't even have an argument. Show nested quote +Sure this guy is important, my fart is important, it changed the chemical balance of the atmosphere. By the way nobody has any guarantees that he didn't kill somebody else during the last 30 years or if he doesn't plan to do so in the future. He proved it's not a big deal for him. No, your fart isn't important, you are not important( no more then your fart is). It might shock you, but this guy is already beyond what you will ever be just by being alive and doing the shit he does. By the way nobody has any guarantees that you didn't kill somebody during all the 13 years of your life. Actually nobody has guarantees you aren't mentally challenged either, I'm still talking to you though.
important is a wrong word choice it has a good connotation, I rather use "relevant" but we'll roll with this. Being "important" is not necessarily good.
fuck that can be applied to any dictator in the world, with the premise that they "changed the world"
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Someone should fucking eat him this time
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On October 24 2009 01:34 ilj.psa wrote:
fuck that can be applied to any dictator in the world, with the premise that they "changed the world"
You know my methods, Watson.
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On October 23 2009 08:04 food wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 06:38 Magic84 wrote:On October 23 2009 05:53 food wrote:On October 23 2009 05:33 snowbird wrote:Here's an excerpt of an interview with him (2009):
Do you still have these cannibalistic urges?
Oh yes, definitely. The desire to eat people becomes so intense around June, when women start wearing less and showing more skin. Just today, I saw a girl with a really nice derrière on my way to the train station. When I see things like that, I think about wanting to eat someone again before I die. So yes, I do still harbor these desires, and I specifically want to eat a Japanese woman this time. I think either sukiyaki or shabu shabu [lightly boiled thin slices] is the best way to go in order to really savor the natural flavor of the meat. Can you please call for people who would willingly be eaten by me in your magazine? There’s one condition, though: They have to be young, beautiful women.
source: here He has an army of readers to feed. It is a show he puts on in order to stay in the spotlight. If he expressed a serious desire to kill or posed any kind of threat he would be put into a mental institution. On October 23 2009 04:46 Magic84 wrote:
Well it's more logical to give this man to relatives, mother, father of victim and let them do what they want, kill, torture, dismember alive, feed to dogs.
This way it will be revenge and not only punishment based on morality and social perspective, revenge is a natural, healthy and proper thing to have for human psyche. As well as all the law protections and human rights could be lift off him, so anybody could kill or hurt him with no consequences. But that would create a lot of controversy and additional social problems, so it's better to kill him via official execution. In Russia, we eat people when they eat us Speaking of it, i wish we still had a death sentence in Russia and also many other things. All the current pro-liberal television bullshit just wrecks minds of people, i find it a social disaster when people come to the point of discussing if such man deserves to be alive, let alone free. And it's not just a forum trolling, it happens irl. This is a betrayal of inherent human side for the sake of fake morals and indifference. I would talk a lot about that. Russia is liberal? You need to wake up. You have just as much freedom as they want you to. You have a taste of it but you never seen beyond that. And from what you've said already seems like you want it to be even stricter. Some people are born slaves, there's nothing you can change. What's "betrayal of inherent human side"? Does it even mean anything? Kindness and forgiveness are "inherent human side" too or are they not? At least sort your shit out before unloading it. "Fake morals"? Where did you see that? I am the one saying that morals are bent all the time depending on situation and it's only natural. Basically you are stating that the general idea that this guy had to be prosecuted and either imprisoned or kept in a mental institution is "fake morals". You just threw some words out there that happened to be completely irrelevant. What about "indifference"? Who's indifferent, someone who gives criminal his second chance or someone who's centered on vengeance? You don't even have an argument. Show nested quote +Sure this guy is important, my fart is important, it changed the chemical balance of the atmosphere. By the way nobody has any guarantees that he didn't kill somebody else during the last 30 years or if he doesn't plan to do so in the future. He proved it's not a big deal for him. No, your fart isn't important, you are not important( no more then your fart is). It might shock you, but this guy is already beyond what you will ever be just by being alive and doing the shit he does. By the way nobody has any guarantees that you didn't kill somebody during all the 13 years of your life. Actually nobody has guarantees you aren't mentally challenged either, I'm still talking to you though.
Hey pseudomoltke, you're not funny. No one buys that you actually think this guy is sane.
He's more important than any of us just because he is more famous? Are you kidding? Im sure that most people in this world know Tila Tequila much better than say, Tesla. Are you gonna imply that somehow that ugly slut is more important than Tesla?
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wow that guy really should die. If there ever is a poster boy for why there should be capitol punishment, it should be this dude.
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United States4126 Posts
Well, going through this topic certainly took up a lot of my class time.
I don't know what to think about this. imo, it's a pretty interesting case but I don't think he should be free in Japan right now. Especially when he shows urges of wanting to eat another human again.
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Punishment or traditional imprisonment will not solve any problems, but I believe he should be put under permanent psychological evaluation for the rest of his life, ethically within a controlled environment, and use him for a case study as it will be helpful to prevent more incidents, or at the very least, understand better. I would do the same for severely mentally ill convicts as well, of course not anywhere in the mainstream public.
Revenge, death penalty, and emotional disregard offers nothing, there is opportunity here.
But it strikes me curious how this man has been able to get through life normally like this without any severe repercussions from the people around him. What kind of cultural elements make Japan the butt of all dysfunctional and deviant stereotypes?
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To be tortured around the clock for the rest of his life would be too good for this man.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Speechless. What the fuck?
A culture can't really be this messed up, can it?
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On October 28 2009 05:30 Roffles wrote:
Speechless. What the fuck?
A culture can't really be this messed up, can it?
Well it IS the country where raping is the accepted way to say hello
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The cannibalism is disturbing, yeah, but it's really not the cannibalism that bothers me. It's the fact that he killed this woman for the sole purpose of eating her, and that despite this fact he remains a free man that bugs me a lot. Abusing a person physically and emotionally to their mental breakdown and/or death is far worse than simply killing a person and then eating them afterward. But even so, you really shouldn't be able to get away after killing someone on a whim for god's sake.
On October 22 2009 10:41 Dave[9] wrote:
wow wtf he fucked the corpse he was eating...
The Japanese were always efficient people.
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On October 28 2009 05:41 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 05:30 Roffles wrote:
Speechless. What the fuck?
A culture can't really be this messed up, can it? Well it IS the country where raping is the accepted way to say hello
You're retarded.
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On October 28 2009 06:03 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2009 05:41 TheAntZ wrote:On October 28 2009 05:30 Roffles wrote:
Speechless. What the fuck?
A culture can't really be this messed up, can it? Well it IS the country where raping is the accepted way to say hello You're retarded.
And you're real nice 
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I regret reading this thread. I have a lot I want to say about how upsetting this was. Instead I will just post this.
On October 22 2009 12:01 Mastermind wrote:
I actually find this funny. Sick, but funny.
fuck you
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I can understand if Japan's national food is raw fish but this...is just wrong.
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