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On September 18 2009 06:18 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 05:47 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:31 Caller wrote:On September 18 2009 04:23 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:13 koreasilver wrote: Someone should make a thread that chronicles every single dogmatic, anti-Terran post that AzureEye makes because some of the things he says are just hilariously absurd, and because he often brings up the same arguments all the time although they have continuously been disproved by numerous members over the past 10 months of his existence on this forum. Yes they are same arguments, if you haven't read my post up there, I clearly stated myself that I was bringing it up again, thank you Captain Obvious? Btw, which member disproved what I just said now about Stork's remark? And btw, you label my content as dogmatic, and indeed they are, but what I posted on this thread were objective facts combined with my subjective views (Am I wrong for saying SCV's health = 60? Because last time I checked it really was.) And my post was a response to his thread that started the race flame and was frustrated someone was Toss-bashing again (which is extremely popular), thus, is it not justified to defend my race? Lets discuss about how you have a vendetta against me and track me down, grow the fuck up please, just because I called you out on your bashful attitude against helpless strategy newbies and your unjustified bitchy attitude for people just seeking help hey dickwad get your protossphilic nonsense out of my thread im an equal opportunity discriminator. i dont want to hear your crap about vultures being cheap and scvs having 60hp, because you know just as well as i do that protoss have cloaked 40 damage units, zealots that are unkillable, carriers, arbiters, templars, and reavers, and the best static defense in the game (cannons). Terrans are imba with long range tanks, vulture mines, and irradiate vessels. Zergs are imba with defilers, cows, and mutalisk harass is ridiculous. every single race is imba one way or the other. if you actually bothered to read the other thread where i made fun of terrans for turreting like whores and the like, then you would understand. instead you put all this crap out here in a thread thats supposed to be light-hearted and fun. this isn't the strategy section, this is my blog, and zergs will get discriminated next. so stfu and go back to 1a2a3aing your way to victory. edit: oh i banned you from the blog until this particular game ends edit2: oh and from now on this protoss player (you) will be Azureeye. This is my blog, i do what I want. edit3: im unbanning you cuz koreasilver is just as bad and itd be a double standard If you're an equal opportunity discriminator, isn't it fair for someone to counter-bash on Terrans when you obviously bash on Toss? Hypocrite @Koreasilver, good job on the sarcasm, I loved it. It doesn't change your ass attitude on the forums though. I may be an idiot for expressing my opinions so relentlessly but at least I don't target my insults to users and call them names, I just get frustrated over the situation. Aren't you the guy that pm'ed me telling me to commit suicide and went off about you're disappointed about a Korean brother etc. etc.? I mean lol okay bro. edit: Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that SCVs only had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. Good job on completely disregarding that SCVs don't heal like probes and drones, and that repair costs resources to use.
You're the one who pm'd me first talking shit to me. And second, I never told YOU to commit suicide, I said people who act like you. Why would you ever expect to get a friendly pm response when you try to start shit through pm? Repair costs what? 1 mineral for every 10 minutes? Is that even relevant?
Oh, btw pools used to cost 150 min and early ling rushes were more threatening, hence scv life raise. If I'm wrong, please point me to a correct source
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On September 18 2009 08:01 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 06:18 koreasilver wrote:On September 18 2009 05:47 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:31 Caller wrote:On September 18 2009 04:23 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:13 koreasilver wrote: Someone should make a thread that chronicles every single dogmatic, anti-Terran post that AzureEye makes because some of the things he says are just hilariously absurd, and because he often brings up the same arguments all the time although they have continuously been disproved by numerous members over the past 10 months of his existence on this forum. Yes they are same arguments, if you haven't read my post up there, I clearly stated myself that I was bringing it up again, thank you Captain Obvious? Btw, which member disproved what I just said now about Stork's remark? And btw, you label my content as dogmatic, and indeed they are, but what I posted on this thread were objective facts combined with my subjective views (Am I wrong for saying SCV's health = 60? Because last time I checked it really was.) And my post was a response to his thread that started the race flame and was frustrated someone was Toss-bashing again (which is extremely popular), thus, is it not justified to defend my race? Lets discuss about how you have a vendetta against me and track me down, grow the fuck up please, just because I called you out on your bashful attitude against helpless strategy newbies and your unjustified bitchy attitude for people just seeking help hey dickwad get your protossphilic nonsense out of my thread im an equal opportunity discriminator. i dont want to hear your crap about vultures being cheap and scvs having 60hp, because you know just as well as i do that protoss have cloaked 40 damage units, zealots that are unkillable, carriers, arbiters, templars, and reavers, and the best static defense in the game (cannons). Terrans are imba with long range tanks, vulture mines, and irradiate vessels. Zergs are imba with defilers, cows, and mutalisk harass is ridiculous. every single race is imba one way or the other. if you actually bothered to read the other thread where i made fun of terrans for turreting like whores and the like, then you would understand. instead you put all this crap out here in a thread thats supposed to be light-hearted and fun. this isn't the strategy section, this is my blog, and zergs will get discriminated next. so stfu and go back to 1a2a3aing your way to victory. edit: oh i banned you from the blog until this particular game ends edit2: oh and from now on this protoss player (you) will be Azureeye. This is my blog, i do what I want. edit3: im unbanning you cuz koreasilver is just as bad and itd be a double standard If you're an equal opportunity discriminator, isn't it fair for someone to counter-bash on Terrans when you obviously bash on Toss? Hypocrite @Koreasilver, good job on the sarcasm, I loved it. It doesn't change your ass attitude on the forums though. I may be an idiot for expressing my opinions so relentlessly but at least I don't target my insults to users and call them names, I just get frustrated over the situation. Aren't you the guy that pm'ed me telling me to commit suicide and went off about you're disappointed about a Korean brother etc. etc.? I mean lol okay bro. edit: Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that SCVs only had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. Good job on completely disregarding that SCVs don't heal like probes and drones, and that repair costs resources to use. You're the one who pm'd me first talking shit to me. And second, I never told YOU to commit suicide, I said people who act like you. Why would you ever expect to get a friendly pm response when you try to start shit through pm? Repair costs what? 1 mineral for every 10 minutes? Is that even relevant? Oh, btw pools used to cost 150 min and early ling rushes were more threatening, hence scv life raise. If I'm wrong, please point me to a correct source How about you link us to an official source of this argument, by your logic probes would have 60 life too.
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All these blogs are gonna do is make everyone think you are a bigger douche than normal, so go ahead now that i think about it. GOGO, onward to douche city you can run for mayor?
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On September 18 2009 08:01 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 06:18 koreasilver wrote:On September 18 2009 05:47 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:31 Caller wrote:On September 18 2009 04:23 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:13 koreasilver wrote: Someone should make a thread that chronicles every single dogmatic, anti-Terran post that AzureEye makes because some of the things he says are just hilariously absurd, and because he often brings up the same arguments all the time although they have continuously been disproved by numerous members over the past 10 months of his existence on this forum. Yes they are same arguments, if you haven't read my post up there, I clearly stated myself that I was bringing it up again, thank you Captain Obvious? Btw, which member disproved what I just said now about Stork's remark? And btw, you label my content as dogmatic, and indeed they are, but what I posted on this thread were objective facts combined with my subjective views (Am I wrong for saying SCV's health = 60? Because last time I checked it really was.) And my post was a response to his thread that started the race flame and was frustrated someone was Toss-bashing again (which is extremely popular), thus, is it not justified to defend my race? Lets discuss about how you have a vendetta against me and track me down, grow the fuck up please, just because I called you out on your bashful attitude against helpless strategy newbies and your unjustified bitchy attitude for people just seeking help hey dickwad get your protossphilic nonsense out of my thread im an equal opportunity discriminator. i dont want to hear your crap about vultures being cheap and scvs having 60hp, because you know just as well as i do that protoss have cloaked 40 damage units, zealots that are unkillable, carriers, arbiters, templars, and reavers, and the best static defense in the game (cannons). Terrans are imba with long range tanks, vulture mines, and irradiate vessels. Zergs are imba with defilers, cows, and mutalisk harass is ridiculous. every single race is imba one way or the other. if you actually bothered to read the other thread where i made fun of terrans for turreting like whores and the like, then you would understand. instead you put all this crap out here in a thread thats supposed to be light-hearted and fun. this isn't the strategy section, this is my blog, and zergs will get discriminated next. so stfu and go back to 1a2a3aing your way to victory. edit: oh i banned you from the blog until this particular game ends edit2: oh and from now on this protoss player (you) will be Azureeye. This is my blog, i do what I want. edit3: im unbanning you cuz koreasilver is just as bad and itd be a double standard If you're an equal opportunity discriminator, isn't it fair for someone to counter-bash on Terrans when you obviously bash on Toss? Hypocrite @Koreasilver, good job on the sarcasm, I loved it. It doesn't change your ass attitude on the forums though. I may be an idiot for expressing my opinions so relentlessly but at least I don't target my insults to users and call them names, I just get frustrated over the situation. Aren't you the guy that pm'ed me telling me to commit suicide and went off about you're disappointed about a Korean brother etc. etc.? I mean lol okay bro. edit: Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that SCVs only had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. Good job on completely disregarding that SCVs don't heal like probes and drones, and that repair costs resources to use. You're the one who pm'd me first talking shit to me. And second, I never told YOU to commit suicide, I said people who act like you. Why would you ever expect to get a friendly pm response when you try to start shit through pm? Repair costs what? 1 mineral for every 10 minutes? Is that even relevant? Oh, btw pools used to cost 150 min and early ling rushes were more threatening, hence scv life raise. If I'm wrong, please point me to a correct source lol, seems like your memory is completely trashed from your stupidity because I never pm'ed you first. In fact, I've never pm'ed anyone on this forum first ever. I told you to shut up in a thread, along with many other members in a thread in the strategy forum and you pm'ed me first. Please, don't even try to lie about something like that. I replied back to you once, and if you check your inbox and find the exact time of when my one and only pm to you was sent, I'll find the pm that you sent to me first and give you the exact time of when you sent that pm.
Besides, from your pm.
Original Message: If you don't like it, then ignore it. I'm ashamed to have Korean brothers that cuss at everything and have a terrible attitude on the forums. Even if my argument is bad, at least I try to explain myself. You just act like you're the shit online. People like you need to suicide. Saying "people like you need to suicide" is pretty much the same as telling me to commit suicide; I'm really not sure how you're even trying to get yourself out of that by saying "I didn't tell you to commit suicide, just people like you". That's just terrible; don't dig yourself in further.
Furthermore, in the SCV repair thing: even if the repair itself doesn't cost much money, it still does cost resources, not to mention the lost mining time from another SCV that has to repair said damaged SCV. Also, the burden of proof is upon you to prove that SCVs had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. I have never seen you once give a source on your claim.
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On September 18 2009 08:41 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 08:01 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 06:18 koreasilver wrote:On September 18 2009 05:47 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:31 Caller wrote:On September 18 2009 04:23 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:13 koreasilver wrote: Someone should make a thread that chronicles every single dogmatic, anti-Terran post that AzureEye makes because some of the things he says are just hilariously absurd, and because he often brings up the same arguments all the time although they have continuously been disproved by numerous members over the past 10 months of his existence on this forum. Yes they are same arguments, if you haven't read my post up there, I clearly stated myself that I was bringing it up again, thank you Captain Obvious? Btw, which member disproved what I just said now about Stork's remark? And btw, you label my content as dogmatic, and indeed they are, but what I posted on this thread were objective facts combined with my subjective views (Am I wrong for saying SCV's health = 60? Because last time I checked it really was.) And my post was a response to his thread that started the race flame and was frustrated someone was Toss-bashing again (which is extremely popular), thus, is it not justified to defend my race? Lets discuss about how you have a vendetta against me and track me down, grow the fuck up please, just because I called you out on your bashful attitude against helpless strategy newbies and your unjustified bitchy attitude for people just seeking help hey dickwad get your protossphilic nonsense out of my thread im an equal opportunity discriminator. i dont want to hear your crap about vultures being cheap and scvs having 60hp, because you know just as well as i do that protoss have cloaked 40 damage units, zealots that are unkillable, carriers, arbiters, templars, and reavers, and the best static defense in the game (cannons). Terrans are imba with long range tanks, vulture mines, and irradiate vessels. Zergs are imba with defilers, cows, and mutalisk harass is ridiculous. every single race is imba one way or the other. if you actually bothered to read the other thread where i made fun of terrans for turreting like whores and the like, then you would understand. instead you put all this crap out here in a thread thats supposed to be light-hearted and fun. this isn't the strategy section, this is my blog, and zergs will get discriminated next. so stfu and go back to 1a2a3aing your way to victory. edit: oh i banned you from the blog until this particular game ends edit2: oh and from now on this protoss player (you) will be Azureeye. This is my blog, i do what I want. edit3: im unbanning you cuz koreasilver is just as bad and itd be a double standard If you're an equal opportunity discriminator, isn't it fair for someone to counter-bash on Terrans when you obviously bash on Toss? Hypocrite @Koreasilver, good job on the sarcasm, I loved it. It doesn't change your ass attitude on the forums though. I may be an idiot for expressing my opinions so relentlessly but at least I don't target my insults to users and call them names, I just get frustrated over the situation. Aren't you the guy that pm'ed me telling me to commit suicide and went off about you're disappointed about a Korean brother etc. etc.? I mean lol okay bro. edit: Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that SCVs only had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. Good job on completely disregarding that SCVs don't heal like probes and drones, and that repair costs resources to use. You're the one who pm'd me first talking shit to me. And second, I never told YOU to commit suicide, I said people who act like you. Why would you ever expect to get a friendly pm response when you try to start shit through pm? Repair costs what? 1 mineral for every 10 minutes? Is that even relevant? Oh, btw pools used to cost 150 min and early ling rushes were more threatening, hence scv life raise. If I'm wrong, please point me to a correct source How about you link us to an official source of this argument, by your logic probes would have 60 life too. By his logic? It's not by HIS logic. It WAS posted somewhere here on the forums so quit drinking your haterade.
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My actual account is hana.jd. Also I never whined about imbalance in this thread at all so?
edit: lol did you actually think all my obviously sarcastic imba posts were serious?
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uh, none of the above. Protoss won't have the money to do any of this; every toss knows 8 probes is the optimal production number
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On September 18 2009 09:32 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 08:01 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 06:18 koreasilver wrote:On September 18 2009 05:47 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:31 Caller wrote:On September 18 2009 04:23 AzureEye wrote:On September 18 2009 04:13 koreasilver wrote: Someone should make a thread that chronicles every single dogmatic, anti-Terran post that AzureEye makes because some of the things he says are just hilariously absurd, and because he often brings up the same arguments all the time although they have continuously been disproved by numerous members over the past 10 months of his existence on this forum. Yes they are same arguments, if you haven't read my post up there, I clearly stated myself that I was bringing it up again, thank you Captain Obvious? Btw, which member disproved what I just said now about Stork's remark? And btw, you label my content as dogmatic, and indeed they are, but what I posted on this thread were objective facts combined with my subjective views (Am I wrong for saying SCV's health = 60? Because last time I checked it really was.) And my post was a response to his thread that started the race flame and was frustrated someone was Toss-bashing again (which is extremely popular), thus, is it not justified to defend my race? Lets discuss about how you have a vendetta against me and track me down, grow the fuck up please, just because I called you out on your bashful attitude against helpless strategy newbies and your unjustified bitchy attitude for people just seeking help hey dickwad get your protossphilic nonsense out of my thread im an equal opportunity discriminator. i dont want to hear your crap about vultures being cheap and scvs having 60hp, because you know just as well as i do that protoss have cloaked 40 damage units, zealots that are unkillable, carriers, arbiters, templars, and reavers, and the best static defense in the game (cannons). Terrans are imba with long range tanks, vulture mines, and irradiate vessels. Zergs are imba with defilers, cows, and mutalisk harass is ridiculous. every single race is imba one way or the other. if you actually bothered to read the other thread where i made fun of terrans for turreting like whores and the like, then you would understand. instead you put all this crap out here in a thread thats supposed to be light-hearted and fun. this isn't the strategy section, this is my blog, and zergs will get discriminated next. so stfu and go back to 1a2a3aing your way to victory. edit: oh i banned you from the blog until this particular game ends edit2: oh and from now on this protoss player (you) will be Azureeye. This is my blog, i do what I want. edit3: im unbanning you cuz koreasilver is just as bad and itd be a double standard If you're an equal opportunity discriminator, isn't it fair for someone to counter-bash on Terrans when you obviously bash on Toss? Hypocrite @Koreasilver, good job on the sarcasm, I loved it. It doesn't change your ass attitude on the forums though. I may be an idiot for expressing my opinions so relentlessly but at least I don't target my insults to users and call them names, I just get frustrated over the situation. Aren't you the guy that pm'ed me telling me to commit suicide and went off about you're disappointed about a Korean brother etc. etc.? I mean lol okay bro. edit: Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that SCVs only had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. Good job on completely disregarding that SCVs don't heal like probes and drones, and that repair costs resources to use. You're the one who pm'd me first talking shit to me. And second, I never told YOU to commit suicide, I said people who act like you. Why would you ever expect to get a friendly pm response when you try to start shit through pm? Repair costs what? 1 mineral for every 10 minutes? Is that even relevant? Oh, btw pools used to cost 150 min and early ling rushes were more threatening, hence scv life raise. If I'm wrong, please point me to a correct source lol, seems like your memory is completely trashed from your stupidity because I never pm'ed you first. In fact, I've never pm'ed anyone on this forum first ever. I told you to shut up in a thread, along with many other members in a thread in the strategy forum and you pm'ed me first. Please, don't even try to lie about something like that. I replied back to you once, and if you check your inbox and find the exact time of when my one and only pm to you was sent, I'll find the pm that you sent to me first and give you the exact time of when you sent that pm. Besides, from your pm. Show nested quote +Original Message: On March 01 2009 06:21 koreasilver wrote:
For fuck's sake, stop posting. If you don't like it, then ignore it. I'm ashamed to have Korean brothers that cuss at everything and have a terrible attitude on the forums. Even if my argument is bad, at least I try to explain myself. You just act like you're the shit online. People like you need to suicide. Saying "people like you need to suicide" is pretty much the same as telling me to commit suicide; I'm really not sure how you're even trying to get yourself out of that by saying "I didn't tell you to commit suicide, just people like you". That's just terrible; don't dig yourself in further. Furthermore, in the SCV repair thing: even if the repair itself doesn't cost much money, it still does cost resources, not to mention the lost mining time from another SCV that has to repair said damaged SCV. Also, the burden of proof is upon you to prove that SCVs had 60hp due to 150min spawning pools. I have never seen you once give a source on your claim.
My memory is trashed by stupidity? Look who is talking. How can you even deny the fact that you sent me the PM first? Even the quoted PM that you posted shows that your message was before mine. Way to be a douche with a memory that parallels your knowledge. Even if I sent it first (which I didn't) you just aggrevated the conflict by posting the PM on the thread, good one douche.
Yeah its borderline same thing for suicide but as I've said before, do you expect me to give you a kind answer when the PM you sent was For fuck's sake, stop posting. ? Its like killing a innocent person and expecting people to give you a pat on the back.
EDIT: My analogy is very exaggerated but you get the point
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no..the line I quoted was not out of the thread. It was from a PM that YOU sent first.
Good job on trying to say I'm the liar.
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On September 18 2009 11:49 AzureEye wrote:no..the line I quoted was not out of the thread. It was from a PM that YOU sent first. Good job on trying to say I'm the liar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88627¤tpage=2
My post in that page was made on March 01 2009 06:21.
The quote in the pm that you sent me was made on? What are you going to say now? That I prepared the post ahead of time and clicked SEND PM and POST right at the same time?
lol?
Dude, you are the liar. Stop trying.
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On September 18 2009 11:53 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2009 11:49 AzureEye wrote:no..the line I quoted was not out of the thread. It was from a PM that YOU sent first. Good job on trying to say I'm the liar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88627¤tpage=2My post in that page was made on March 01 2009 06:21. The quote in the pm that you sent me was made on? What are you going to say now? That I prepared the post ahead of time and clicked SEND PM and POST right at the same time? lol? Dude, you are the liar. Stop trying.
Why are you asking me to explain the time of the PM that you sent? I should be the one asking you. Btw Its within the same minute, not the same second. For some reason, you probably felt the need to post and PM the same words because you wanted to make sure I really got the messsage, and I really don't care about your excuses
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Are you serious? Then please, by all means show me a screen shot of the "first" pm that I sent you. What? You can't find it? How could that be? What? You deleted it? But then why haven't you deleted the reply pm that is sitting in your inbox right now?
rofl, you're a joke. Your posting was so annoying in that thread that multiple people spoke out against you, but for some reason you picked me out out of the people in that thread and sent me a hissy fit pm. I for some reason do not think that Fontong has received and continued to receive the annoyance that you have given me for the past half a year. I mean, even after that thread, numerous people have called out on your extreme bias against Terran and even then, you only ever raged when I posted something against you. It's just absolutely boggling that you can even claim that I have a vendetta against you when I simply post along some pretty common sentiments that multiple users on this forum towards you, but yet you always, always single me out. For god's sake, cut it out.
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On September 18 2009 11:53 koreasilver wrote: Your posting was so annoying in that thread that multiple people spoke out against you, but for some reason you picked me out out of the people in that thread and sent me a hissy fit pm. I for some reason do not think that Fontong has received and continued to receive the annoyance that you have given me for the past half a year. I mean, even after that thread numerous people have called out on your extreme bias against Terran and even then, you only ever raged when I posted something against you. It's just absolutely boggling that you can even claim that I have a vendetta against you when I simply post along some pretty common sentiments that multiple users on this forum towards you, but yet you always, always single me out. For god's sake, cut it out.
Its fine for people to speak out against me, thats what discussions are for in a forum. Why is Fontong (and who) in this discussion? Is he the OP of that thread? Does he track me down and have a vendetta against me? Cause you're the only one who does that. Yeah I have bias toward Terrans, but I'm sure most people already know that. But opinion never hurts, and I never insult random people like you do. I don't always single you out, I have better things to do than pick a random person and argue with them. It's just that you call me out and I respond
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On September 18 2009 12:06 koreasilver wrote: Are you serious? Then please, by all means show me a screen shot of the "first" pm that I sent you. What? You can't find it? How could that be? What? You deleted it? But then why haven't you deleted the reply pm that is sitting in your inbox right now?
Is it that hard to have more "inbox" PMs than "Sent" PMs? Of course if my inbox gets clogged, I clean it out. That screenshot was a "Sent" PM if you can tell by the picture.
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Fontong said "Good fucking damn, stop posting" to you in the very same thread two posts under me and you didn't say shit to him. He pretty much said the same thing as me, yet you singled me out for your annoying bullshit. And since when have I ever tracked you down? The fuck? You paranoid bastard, cut this unconditional hate you have towards me and just quit it now. You're the one that started harassing me by pm'ing me back then for a post that you quite rightly deserved.
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Good lord, what's even the point of arguing with you. You're an absolute lunatic.
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On September 18 2009 12:12 koreasilver wrote: Fontong said "Good fucking damn, stop posting" to you in the very same thread two posts under me and you didn't say shit to him. He pretty much said the same thing as me, yet you singled me out for your annoying bullshit. And since when have I ever tracked you down? The fuck? You paranoid bastard, cut this unconditional hate you have towards me and just quit it now. You're the one that started harassing me by pm'ing me back then for a post that you quite rightly deserved.
Well I apologize for not seeing his post, but you're the guy that posted the stuff first. Anyway I have no intention of going after you. I guess from your point of view, you see me as the guy harrassing you although I see it oppositely.
Anyway I'll take the first step: I apologize to you if I bothered you and start fresh. Sound good?
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If you don't post back on this thread, I'll take it as if you disregard my apology and want to continue in this meaningless debate
I said I'm sorry and I'm willing to move on, I would like to hear your answer
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