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NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
September 14 2009 12:53 GMT
#1
Not everybody will assume responsibility of partisan ways onto both liberal and conservative parties. That lack of understanding prohibits actual progress in reforming a system that has long been sought to be fixed. Whether worried of a government takeover, or loathing the idea of dispatching a policy that will keep businesses honest, both sides have principles to 'lose'.
A lot of people ignore the fact that we the people, as citizens of the United States, have elected a new president to govern us in his associative policy and principle. Some exercise their right to voice displeasure in that reality - forgetting that they fell under an alleged minority only a few months ago. Presently, even after a landslide change, the now named majority feel under-priveledged to voice their displeasure. After all of it, none seem to be humbled by any of the accomplishments and/or failures each has made since the election.
As separate parties, both Democrats and Republicans have tried relentlessly these past few months to increase their base to force policy. No matter how you feel about what is an acceptable patriotic policy, as a bipartisan courtship to the very way we feel about the true way of democracy, the media portrays none of it. Fox, CNN, and every other network on television demonstrates that they all have different views of what works and what doesn't. So which one is the right one to watch? The answer is that you cannot rely on just one to make an informative decision on what is best for our country. In actuality, it is detrimental to progress for the sake progress to not divide your attention to both parties and networks.
As an observation, I've noticed what elements have drawn each networks 'loyal fans.' It is not the news that they inform to the viewer, it is actually the TV personalities that dictate the fan base of the networks that seem fair and balanced. They are the personalities known as Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Larry King, and O'Rielly that grab the attention of what is thought to be acceptable in our society concerning culture and government policy. What people don't seem to realize that the main reason why these people have their jobs is to enforce the network's ideas and party beliefs even if at extreme levels. These so-called patriots are so animated in their commentary that all becomes inconceivably easy to believe from the viewers point of view. To watch just one religiously (daily without other influence or break) would allow you to succumb to a more biased view and decision making than usual.
I heard recently that before the presidential campaigns were consuming all of the media's attention, that there were clear signs of analysis that our economy was heading towards a downward spiral. Now to be fair, there will always be one person to say that we are a day away of economic collapse of cataclysmic proportions. But after almost a year from one of most disastrous chain of events ever seen in history, who was correct in their analysis? Who didn't we listen to? Which network painted these pictures? Much of the time it falls under the wicked process known only as lobbying of both the liberal and conservative parties and policies.
Concerning Health Care Reform and the parties who shape the minds of it's fellow citizens, you must ask yourself: "Who are making fair or for that matter, the right points?" Is it fair to paint the stereotypes of hippies and socialists as Democrats or religious nuts and the immensely greedy as Republicans? If you are at all an American patriot you would ignore and understand the political terms of Liberal, Conservative, Moderate, Democrat, and Republican. The media uses these terms as an advantage for invisible negative and positive connotations. They are what you would call subliminal messages because in the matter of policy debates, it becomes much like war and EVERYONE thinks they are right in a war.
I remember months back someone on a news network a point that made perfect sense, but lacked specifics in the best possible way which deals the best negative example that I could ever come up with: "Democrats are a party of bad ideas; [and] Republicans are a party of no ideas."
So now take a step back and ask yourself: "What, [if] as an independent, are you supposed to think of party-only policy now?" It is near impossible to sift through the dirt and misconception of party persuasion and what is right for the time being and long term. Not only does the media cause more turmoil among its viewers who listen to the chaos of both parties, but the lack of our congressional leaders paving the way together, causes partisan deliberation to spiral out of control. It is important to remember that both parties are responsible for this disaster we call partisan behavior.
The perfect example for this is R-Wilson's comment, "You lie" during President Obama's speech to congress only days ago. While the debate and bill(s) is still only in alpha stages and multiple revisions will still be made before the bill passes [or not] it is unfair to dissuade the very citizens that are hoping for reform for the better by saying the president is a liar. There is no reason to believe by the end of this process that illegal aliens will find solace in this bill - it is unpatriotic. In essence, if we really are worried about illegal aliens we'd reform our work force - disabling the activity of illegals taking jobs from our fellow citizens. Even if in the end all of it sustains our economic equilibrium, we'd inevitably be detaining the very people who hire these aliens and keep it off the books. Our economy's pick up is shot down by this as well - not only because of the lack of health care reform. But when will we also accept this notion?
Where is our Capitalism? There is all too much to discuss in the matter of reform and not enough time. But if our leader, our president, has devoted his time, and ultimate cause that will shape his presidency, to changing just one of the many broken wheels of our time, we should stop to listen and help him - not blame the potential failures on party-only policies. Just remember that when Medicare and Medicaid were first introduced decades ago, it was deemed as a socialist plot and government takeover. So tell me, which party brought up that idea?

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Treatin' fools since '87
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
September 14 2009 12:54 GMT
#2
why do threads like this exist on a gaming website
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 14 2009 12:57 GMT
#3
On September 14 2009 21:54 Vex wrote:
why do threads like this exist on a gaming website

Because TL is really easy to troll, since all the high school nerds that play SC take this shit ultra seriously and get up in arms about it? Cuz you know internet is srs bzns.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
September 14 2009 13:09 GMT
#4
This is a gauge, and your failing miserably. IF you have an opinion about it, comment; IF NOT, don't derail it. Especially when this is a serious matter and this post is intended to see how people feel about the subject matter.
Treatin' fools since '87
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
September 14 2009 13:12 GMT
#5
On September 14 2009 21:57 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 21:54 Vex wrote:
why do threads like this exist on a gaming website

Because TL is really easy to troll, since all the high school nerds that play SC take this shit ultra seriously and get up in arms about it? Cuz you know internet is srs bzns.



yeah i see what you mean.
very sad.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 13:22:04
September 14 2009 13:14 GMT
#6
Here's my opinion: you need to stop taking your posting so seriously. Opinions are only so good - ultimately opinions from a SC gaming board won't change anything.
Here's how I feel about the issue: conservotrolls can go fuck themselves. This is why I went to the 9/12 t.e.a. party in DC with a "single payer healthcare" sign.

Let me ask you something though - what are you doing personally to stop them from perpetuating their lies? And please don't answer "blogging on an SC board".

PS: well apparently I allowed myself to be trolled, but oh well
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
September 14 2009 13:32 GMT
#7
How am I trolling in my own thread? I post deliberate short comings in politics and lack of understanding of it to see how others feel about the subject and I'm trolling?
Treatin' fools since '87
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 14 2009 13:32 GMT
#8
On September 14 2009 22:09 NastyMarine wrote:
This is a gauge, and your failing miserably. IF you have an opinion about it, comment; IF NOT, don't derail it. Especially when this is a serious matter and this post is intended to see how people feel about the subject matter.

My opinion is that you wrote a lot and said very little. Sorry.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
September 14 2009 13:33 GMT
#9
On September 14 2009 22:14 Sadistx wrote:
Here's my opinion: you need to stop taking your posting so seriously. Opinions are only so good - ultimately opinions from a SC gaming board won't change anything.
Here's how I feel about the issue: conservotrolls can go fuck themselves. This is why I went to the 9/12 t.e.a. party in DC with a "single payer healthcare" sign.

Let me ask you something though - what are you doing personally to stop them from perpetuating their lies? And please don't answer "blogging on an SC board".

PS: well apparently I allowed myself to be trolled, but oh well


thread just got interesting.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 13:44:21
September 14 2009 13:43 GMT
#10
If you want know what I have been doing; Nothing - because I am not a HS kid, I have to work five days week to survive and cannot participate in all of what I believe in. What I can do is assume that people can debate on what-is-what without telling the topic starter that he is a nerd that shouldn't concern himself with the ways of the world.
Treatin' fools since '87
SanguineToss
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada815 Posts
September 14 2009 13:49 GMT
#11
Nice read.

just ignore the flamers.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 14:20:42
September 14 2009 14:18 GMT
#12
On September 14 2009 22:32 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 22:09 NastyMarine wrote:
This is a gauge, and your failing miserably. IF you have an opinion about it, comment; IF NOT, don't derail it. Especially when this is a serious matter and this post is intended to see how people feel about the subject matter.

My opinion is that you wrote a lot and said very little. Sorry.


Your confusing the content as little with what I am emphasizing; which is the lack of bipartisanship in what is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. Where congruence-of-national-necessity in terms of congressional debate is supposed to be the best, and your telling me I didn't hit those points?
Treatin' fools since '87
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 14 2009 14:37 GMT
#13
this is why we need a monarchy
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
September 14 2009 14:41 GMT
#14
haha, a sign of true displeasure with partisan behavior.
Treatin' fools since '87
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17018 Posts
September 14 2009 15:04 GMT
#15
I read this as "Parisian Observations" and was excited about reading some insights into the Parisian way of life.
Moderator
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43271 Posts
September 14 2009 19:05 GMT
#16
On September 14 2009 23:37 Caller wrote:
this is why we need a monarchy

You can have ours. They're trained to wave on demand, provide heirs and not marry Catholics. Plus they're German which we all know means quality and longevity.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 14 2009 19:08 GMT
#17
I dislike partisan politics as much as anyone, but would note this does not mean supporting the president without question - that would also be partisan! Even at this stage, there are many hugely important questions which need answering. I wish I'd get less poetry and more details from the Democrats and real questions and debate from the Republicans. Unfortunately I will not get either.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 14 2009 19:25 GMT
#18
On September 14 2009 23:18 NastyMarine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 22:32 Jibba wrote:
On September 14 2009 22:09 NastyMarine wrote:
This is a gauge, and your failing miserably. IF you have an opinion about it, comment; IF NOT, don't derail it. Especially when this is a serious matter and this post is intended to see how people feel about the subject matter.

My opinion is that you wrote a lot and said very little. Sorry.


Your confusing the content as little with what I am emphasizing; which is the lack of bipartisanship in what is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. Where congruence-of-national-necessity in terms of congressional debate is supposed to be the best, and your telling me I didn't hit those points?


"you're," the word is "you're"
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 14 2009 19:38 GMT
#19
On September 15 2009 04:05 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 23:37 Caller wrote:
this is why we need a monarchy

You can have ours. They're trained to wave on demand, provide heirs and not marry Catholics. Plus they're German which we all know means quality and longevity.

more importantly they do nothing but provide a spectacle
awesome
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-14 22:15:51
September 14 2009 22:15 GMT
#20
On September 15 2009 04:25 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2009 23:18 NastyMarine wrote:
On September 14 2009 22:32 Jibba wrote:
On September 14 2009 22:09 NastyMarine wrote:
This is a gauge, and your failing miserably. IF you have an opinion about it, comment; IF NOT, don't derail it. Especially when this is a serious matter and this post is intended to see how people feel about the subject matter.

My opinion is that you wrote a lot and said very little. Sorry.


Your confusing the content as little with what I am emphasizing; which is the lack of bipartisanship in what is supposed to be the greatest nation in the world. Where congruence-of-national-necessity in terms of congressional debate is supposed to be the best, and your telling me I didn't hit those points?


"you're," the word is "you're"


lol are you really gonna nit-pick at something like that? For the fact that you are ignoring the subject matter and bring up something as minor as that; I'm going to write you off as immature - as you are writing me off as an illiterate.
SO OFF YOU GO, TROLL.
Treatin' fools since '87
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