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SanguineToss
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 04 2009 06:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: whoa that has never happened to me. it sounds intense though LOLOL | ||
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On September 04 2009 06:26 kerpal wrote: dude, i could give a response to just about everything you write there (not an answer necissarily, but a response) cause i've been there, i know what's going on... Says the Christian... On September 04 2009 06:26 kerpal wrote: but, i don't think you want to argue it out, and from experience i think most people who go with these kindsa arguements are actually just looking for excuses. No, the reason for these "kindsa arguements" are to make people like you less stupid by making you think more about your faith and why it is flawed. Think of it as community service :p Stupidity might be less prevalent around the world if we make even one person less ignorant. On September 04 2009 06:26 kerpal wrote: at the heart of christianity is an attitude which says, "God is in control of my life" which is a REALLY hard thing to live with, and something not a single christian has ever got right. ever. So maybe you should think harder about this. Maybe you should consider the possibility that that the "God is in control of my life" statement is wrong instead of unfoundedly claiming that is right. On September 04 2009 06:26 kerpal wrote: but we're trying. we're selfish, hardhearted, bigotted, judgemental, holier-than-thou, hypocritical.... (you get the point) True... but tell me something I can't infer from the rest of your post. On September 04 2009 06:26 kerpal wrote: but we're trying, not making excuses to just regect the whole thing and go back to an easier life. cut us some slack No, I will not cut you some slack. Some people need to be dragged along kicking and screaming just to think. Think about why you should "regect" it, don't assume that we just want you to reject something for no reason. THINK, MAN, YOU CAN DO ETTT!!! If not for me, then for humanity or TL. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
I know this sounds wrong, but trust me. Your condescending tone is NOT helping people see your point. | ||
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Theclutch
United States119 Posts
Christianity helps more people than it hurts. but when you really look at human history you see large amounts of war, violence, and hatred spanning hundreds of years or more.If only people cared as much about the human race as a whole as they did religion then the "better world" that religious people say they work for might actually become reality. | ||
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Xstatic
United States765 Posts
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On September 04 2009 07:19 Zozma wrote: Mooga: I know this sounds wrong, but trust me. Your condescending tone is NOT helping people see your point. Generally, you're right. However, from reading (some posts) in this thread, logic may not apply in this case so who knows? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 04 2009 05:23 BackHo[BLACK] wrote: there was a catalyst event that caused me to question my faith. Wow, that's never happened to anyone before. | ||
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Chromyne
Canada561 Posts
On September 04 2009 07:16 Mooga wrote: No, the reason for these "kindsa arguements" are to make people like you less stupid by making you think more about your faith and why it is flawed. Think of it as community service :p Stupidity might be less prevalent around the world if we make even one person less ignorant. Says the non-theist. What is 'stupidity' to you? I'm genuinely interested to know. On September 04 2009 07:19 Theclutch wrote: Religion is a funny thing, it preaches peace and love and salvation and all this other lovely stuff and even rekrul said but when you really look at human history you see large amounts of war, violence, and hatred spanning hundreds of years or more. If only people cared as much about the human race as a whole as they did religion then the "better world" that religious people say they work for might actually become reality. Are we going to go on and compare the damage each religion has done (including Secular Humanism) in the world? Please don't mistake selfishness and greed for religion. On September 04 2009 07:29 koreasilver wrote: Wow, that's never happened to anyone before. I guess you've been talking to too many brainwashed Atheists. See? That's a huge generalization, just like most of the posts in this thread made by people who aren't interested in adding to the discussion. I don't recall seeing BackHo ever replying to his previous thread on a similar topic. BackHo, if you ever come back to read this post: I don't agree with you at all about the purpose of being a Christian. The purpose of Christianity is not about being a good person. It is about a relationship with God and salvation, because that is the key component that Christianity professes. This belief is making an assertion that we as humans are fallen and if we are not saved then we will spend eternity separated from God. So even if you take a perspective on Christianity you have to understand that it makes many claims that have significant ramifications. Regarding the lack of 'good works,' you are absolutely correct and you should call people on that. If they are not practicing what they preach, they are hypocrites, and unfortunately there are many. (Of course this is a characteristic of humanity and not just Christians.) If you have questions, ask them. If they don't let you, find other people to ask. You can take what people tell you at face value, but if something doesn't sound right, do your own research. I think it's necessary that you are challenged from time to time. That's one reason why I hang around TL. People here ask a lot of good questions. EDIT: Grammar | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
There is no fucking God or spirit of the universe. Get real. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
On September 04 2009 07:16 Mooga wrote: Says the Christian... No, the reason for these "kindsa arguements" are to make people like you less stupid by making you think more about your faith and why it is flawed. Think of it as community service :p Stupidity might be less prevalent around the world if we make even one person less ignorant. So maybe you should think harder about this. Maybe you should consider the possibility that that the "God is in control of my life" statement is wrong instead of unfoundedly claiming that is right. True... but tell me something I can't infer from the rest of your post. No, I will not cut you some slack. Some people need to be dragged along kicking and screaming just to think. Think about why you should "regect" it, don't assume that we just want you to reject something for no reason. THINK, MAN, YOU CAN DO ETTT!!! If not for me, then for humanity or TL. wahey, exactly the kinda of "i'm right and you're wrong, i know what i'm talking about and your an idiot" debate i was trying to avoid in the first place... and NOW this is just another ranting religion thread in which nothing productive will be achieved... | ||
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On September 04 2009 08:16 Chromyne wrote: Says the non-theist. What is 'stupidity' to you? I'm genuinely interested to know. I can not define stupidity, nor describe everything that is stupid, but what I do know is that basing your entire philosophy of life on what is, at best, a hunch; When you ignore or reject or rationalize any evidence that contradicts that hunch or calls it into question, and then accuse atheists of being close-minded and ignoring the obvious truth ... is very stupid. | ||
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On September 04 2009 09:40 kerpal wrote: wahey, exactly the kinda of "i'm right and you're wrong, i know what i'm talking about and your an idiot" debate i was trying to avoid in the first place... and NOW this is just another ranting religion thread in which nothing productive will be achieved... I'm just asking you to think. If you can do that, then this thread will be productive. So consider reading the Bible... and when you do that, critically think about it instead of blindly accepting everything that it claims. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
No, I will not cut you some slack. Some people need to be dragged along kicking and screaming just to think. Think about why you should "regect" it, don't assume that we just want you to reject something for no reason. THINK, MAN, YOU CAN DO ETTT!!! If not for me, then for humanity or TL. that is about the most condescending thing i've heard... what do you really know about living a christian life? about any of the struggles, doubts, joys etc of a relationship with God? nothing, because you don't believe he exists... i'm fairly confident we agree so far? so what gives you the authority to suggest that i've never logically considered my faith? that i've never considered the possibility that there might not be a God? i really do live in the same world as you, i promise. i see terrorists, murderers, natural disasters and wars, i have access too all the information you do, and i believe that there is a God. screw this, you know the conclusion i'm gonna draw and have already regected it, no matter how cleverly i argue it. i have considered your worldview more times than i care to count, have you ever seriously, openmindedly considered mine? final thoughts, this is basically what the OP was about, doubts about christianity and the logic/conherency of it... as someone said earlier, these questions have answers if you're willing to look. | ||
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On September 04 2009 09:58 kerpal wrote: fine, while i'm down here i might as well add, that is about the most condescending thing i've heard... what do you really know about living a christian life? about any of the struggles, doubts, joys etc of a relationship with God? nothing, because you don't believe he exists... i'm fairly confident we agree so far? so what gives you the authority to suggest that i've never logically considered my faith? that i've never considered the possibility that there might not be a God? i really do live in the same world as you, i promise. i see terrorists, murderers, natural disasters and wars, i have access too all the information you do, and i believe that there is a God. screw this, you know the conclusion i'm gonna draw and have already regected it, no matter how cleverly i argue it. i have considered your worldview more times than i care to count, have you ever seriously, openmindedly considered mine? final thoughts, this is basically what the OP was about, doubts about christianity and the logic/conherency of it... as someone said earlier, these questions have answers if you're willing to look. Yes I did try to believe in Christianity. My parents are Christian. Some of my friends are Christian. I was a Christian until I could rationalize and think logically. I know about the "Christian life," and that cliched "relationship with God" wherein people create a list for shit to pray about as if a god would care and the ego required to simply believe that an omnipotent god would care whether his own creation "loves" him or not. And with that, I'm sure my condescension will not even be able to dent your ego. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On September 04 2009 06:43 EsX_Raptor wrote: I'm a Christian myself, but I deviate from the whole religious crap. I am for real, I don't write walls of text to ensure others get saved. I just be myself and make a lot of really good friends (all of them ironically non-Christian) which eventually notice I'm different, but not because I was shaped by the church, but because I am being myself, hell, i hate religion, there is no religion, there is only reality. That is the foundation of relationships, not reading the bible ten times a day and spitting "you're going to hell!" on everybody that walks down the street, if it really was supposed to be that way, I can't image how heaven is going to be: filled with a bunch of retarded religious extremists, who in this world wants to be with those people? sorry for the rudeness, but truth aint pretty sometimes. Do you honestly not see the problem with this? | ||
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Vequeth
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