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Flash
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0 1 Yes, Flash is still here at the top. Despite an embarrassing loss to Best in Proleague, the Little Monster kept batting for KT and stomped his OSL group in style with his now infamous FvZ, which is quickly becoming a matchup in itself. He is 5 - 1 this month, but that record says nothing about his play at the moment. It's simply top notch, and there's not a player in the world who can touch him right now. As the individual leagues warm up and Proleague goes into its second round, you can rest assured that Flash is going to be all up in everyone's grill. Watch out progaming, watch out.
2.
Jaedong
(Z) (stats)
0 1 Anything naysayers have to say about Jaedong for the time being can be put to rest. He had a bit of an off month last time, and almost dropped down to three. This month, he sits safe at two not only due to his WCG massacre of Bisu and Stork, but also because Calm's performance dropped significantly, and to be fair, he did beat this month's #3 in a bo3. Complain all you like, but in November Jaedong showed us that he was nowhere near done with progaming and as the individual leagues get going we're sure we're going to see more and more of him. His PL loss to Savior? Well, that just goes to show that he's not up there with Flash at the moment. But then, who is?
3.
Bisu
(P) (stats)
+2 1 Anti-fans are going to rage hard about this entry, but the truth is Bisu is clearly #3 on the scene at the moment. While certainly below Jaedong's standard in most matchups right now, he is still playing great Starcraft. Despite a loss to Luxury early on, Bisu delivered the results needed for SKT T1, and though now out of the OSL, is still by far one of the strongest contenders for a MSL title this season. Simply put, Bisu just didn't play enough this month to justify putting him lower. His games haven't been spectacular, sure, but remember, that's all relative. This guy is still one of progaming's most consistent performers, and it shows.
4.
Effort
(Z) (stats)
+3 1 CJ fans are going to be pleased. Yes, Effort is once again in possession of a decent PR spot, and rightly so. However, though 7 - 2 is a great record to have this month, Darkelf, Frozean, Light, Jangbi and Free are not exactly top calibre caps to have. With a win over Zero and a loss to Shine, he's shown us that he's about fifty-fifty with players at his skill level this month. Though that's good enough for #4 in November, in a month with more games he'd have found it harder to get this high up. Of course, he definitely has the potential to step up his game, and as the leagues progress we'll get to see if he manages to or not.
5.
Stork[gm]
(P) (stats)
-1 1 Stork performed well at WCG. He played a fantastic series against Jaedong and took a win on Colosseum 2 in what can only be described as a game worth telling your grandkids about. Then, he dropped his MSL group and that sucked. Despite all that, he was destined for a higher rank than this, and then, as I penned these words, he crashed and burned in Proleague. Sea, fine, it's Sea, and to be fair he has been playing well. Then, Hyun? Sorry Dinotoss, but, no way. No way.
6.
ZerO
(Z) (stats)
- 2 I can feel the hype bubbling as I write this. ZERO! Indeed sports fans, indeed, this Woongjin Zerg has had a fantastic month. Currently leading the PL individual rankings and going a stellar 9 - 1 in November, Zero moves quickly from CBNC to #6 this month. In fact, if his win list included a few bigger names he'd have most certainly broken into the top four. As it stands though his biggest caps are Pure, Hwasin and Savior, and that, coupled with his loss to EffOrt makes him stop short here. Can Zero go higher in December? Well, we'll have to wait and see, won't we?
7.
Inter.Calm
(Z) (stats)
-4 2 Let's face it, Calm has had an awful couple of days. Losing to Best, Light, Fantasy and Justin, his 2 - 6 record this month wouldn't even qualify him for CBNC. His loss to Justin in particular was shocking, but to be fair, the Hite Terran did play spectacular Starcraft that day. Thankfully, the PR has never been only about results. Calm is a great player. As I've mentioned time and time again, it is his versatility that makes him stand out - from 2 hatch lurker to 5 hatch hydra, he can play the gamut of Zerg builds and do so in style. While a bad record this month does make him drop towards the bottom of the rank, it's difficult to think of many players who can beat him in a bo5 at the moment. Calm had a terrible month, but a terrible month alone is not going to push a former #3 completely off the chart.
8.
Sea[Shield]
(T) (stats)
- 1 Hello Sea! Good to have you back. Truth be told, I really wanted to put you higher than this. However, despite your fantastic Proleague run, I just couldn't justify a top position because nearly all your games have been TvT. Don't get me wrong, going 7 - 1 and destroying half the Terran population of Proleague is fantastic, and you are anything but a one matchup wonder. Also, your TvT style dismantlement of Stork was a treat to say the least. However, what's really messing with your rank here is the fact that you're out of both individual leagues. Having said that, I'm certain that you're going to go into PL R2 swinging, and if you do, and in doing so dispatch some big Z/P names, I will very gladly push you up further when I put the rank together next time. Do it, Sea. Do it.
9.
Fantasy
(T) (stats)
-3 1 Fantasy hasn't had a great month. Of course, he hasn't had a terrible month either. From nuking Hoejja into submission in what can only be described as an crazy game in Proleague, he went on to lose to Flash's TvT, which to be fair is Flash's TvT, and some might say there's no shame in that. He returned of course to dispatch Calm on two separate occasions. In fact, the only reason he's here below Calm is that his play has been dropping the last few months and continued to dip slightly in November. Don't get me wrong, Fantasy is a great player. If he wants to stay on the PR though he's going to have to put up results, but more importantly, show in his games that he is truly playing at the level we expect our power rankers to play at. At the moment, he's nearing the bottom of the barrel and we all know that he's capable of much more than that.
10.
Kwanro[saM]
(Z) (stats)
- 7 Our darkhorse MSL finalist, Kwanro is a curious character. Despite a lacklustre Proleague run after his move to Woongjin, the former CJ Zerg is in the Ro16 of both individual leagues and this month dispatched Shine, Movie and Hwasin in style. While his play is nothing close to stellar at the moment, I'm going to be watching his OSL/MSL bid closely and have to say that there is a good chance that he'll move up the PR next month, especially if he continues to be more consistent in PL.


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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 15:40:56
November 30 2009 16:36 GMT
#1
CBNC

Best - After an extended hiatus in which he stumbled around getting whacked by all and sundry, it appears that Best is back. With a single loss to Roro this month, Best has dispatched Forgg, Frozean, Darkelf but also sent Calm, and wait for it, Flash packing, a feat that raised eyebrows up and down the proscene. Yes, in a fantastic PvT on Fighting Spirit, Best busted out the macro we know him for and made many arbiters and killed many tanks. His win vs Calm, though not spectacular in itself, is also commendable, even given Calm's recent form. It's been a while since Doh Jae Wook's been anywhere near the PR, and although we're not sure where the SKT T1 Protoss is going next, for now he's here, and we're sure has put JWD in a good mood for the rest of the month.

Shine - Former Bonjwa-to-be, slayer of Bisu and curer of terminal disease, Shine dropped the ball this month with losses to Saint and Action, to name a few. He did win his OSL game against Effort, but this alone is not enough to break into the PR. To be fair, 4 - 4 is not a bad record. In fact, if his losses had been against better players he'd have most definitely stood a chance for #10. As it is though, his play has just been sub par this month, and Shine or not, he's lucky to even make CBNC.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:05:55
November 30 2009 16:48 GMT
#2
I thought Stork crashed and burned in MSL not in PL other then that great PR . I like how you point out that JD lost to Savior - which isn't that big of deal when you look at that every strong zerg is kind of a inconsistant in ZvZ at the moment .

Edit: All yeah just saw the MBC vs Khan thread and i got what you meen by crashing and burning in PL by stork .
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
November 30 2009 16:49 GMT
#3
Agree. Great PR.

Hopefully as we get deeper into the leagues we'll see ZerO farther up
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
November 30 2009 16:51 GMT
#4
mb hwasin, for cbnc ? D: he's in both leagues!
I can`t say I agree with all the ranks but, what do I know
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 16:53 GMT
#5
On December 01 2009 01:51 Jaeden wrote:
mb hwasin, for cbnc ? D: he's in both leagues!
I can`t say I agree with all the ranks but, what do I know


Well Kwanro did advance #1 in his group and hwasin second , but i agree that he and other players also deserve CBNC .
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
November 30 2009 16:54 GMT
#6
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
November 30 2009 16:58 GMT
#7
Flash definitely belongs at number one. At this moment, he is untouchable~
this is my quote.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 30 2009 17:00 GMT
#8
On December 01 2009 01:54 BloodDrunK wrote:
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???

I dont know about really since he even though not killing noticeable players has tearing through things lately.
And just goaway and comeback when you have a CBNC with Violet in it. (Still undeafeted in proleague going 6-0) and won ace match vs Mind.
If you say that his games vs Shine and Light (which is the only thing that he lost against recently) it was both high caliber games with both sides and that happend last month.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 17:05 GMT
#9
Flash No1 and JD No2 are 100% correct. The other spots are really hard IMO, so I can't really say I disagree with any of them at the first glance. Maybe the lack of Violet. He should've at least been on CBNC if not the PR.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 17:08 GMT
#10
On December 01 2009 02:00 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 01:54 BloodDrunK wrote:
great pr.agree with it.but what about violet and really???they have been playing well.why aren't they in CBNC even???

I dont know about really since he even though not killing noticeable players has tearing through things lately.
And just goaway and comeback when you have a CBNC with Violet in it. (Still undeafeted in proleague going 6-0) and won ace match vs Mind.
If you say that his games vs Shine and Light (which is the only thing that he lost against recently) it was both high caliber games with both sides and that happend last month.


Well come to think of it Light also deserves CBNC also Hwasin , and maybe by.hero but it would make for a long CBNC list
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
November 30 2009 17:15 GMT
#11
Great PR! When in doubt, Flash-Jaedong-Bisu (in some order) is always a good top three.

I think Violet maybe ought to have earned a CBNC (but then, several other Proleague players also have).
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 30 2009 17:16 GMT
#12
Great PR, but i would put Best on the 10th spot instead of Kwanro.

Some choices look really weird at first glance but are reasonable and well explained, all in all a good job :D
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 30 2009 17:26 GMT
#13
Agrees with everything except Shine for CBNC because Shine proves he is nothing but a one trick pony and there are other players who are much better than Shine anyway.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 30 2009 17:37 GMT
#14
Free is not a top caliber opponent for Effort? Free has been playing very well.
Zero fighting.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 17:48:11
November 30 2009 17:42 GMT
#15
On December 01 2009 02:37 Jaksiel wrote:
Free is not a top caliber opponent for Effort? Free has been playing very well.


Well only Free , but the rest of them are crap . JangBi has yet to win a zerg in what is like a millenium .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 30 2009 17:47 GMT
#16
On December 01 2009 02:26 LunarDestiny wrote:
Agrees with everything except Shine for CBNC because Shine proves he is nothing but a one trick pony and there are other players who are much better than Shine anyway.


Well he still has a mean ZvP and his ZvZ is quite good too, probably up there with the top zergs . I can't say if his ZvT is really bad he only lost to Hwasin and Hwasin played especially good in their first game and throwed him off his timmings in their second game with a cheese .
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-30 18:08:09
November 30 2009 18:06 GMT
#17
I don't really think Bisu has done anything worthy of advancing in the PR this month (though nothing to go down either), but then again I guess his rise has more to do with Clam failing and Stork choking in the MSL and against MBC, and he did play solidly. So it's all good.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
November 30 2009 18:31 GMT
#18
What about Killer the new bonjwa??

I'm just kidding.
WWJDD??
Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
November 30 2009 18:42 GMT
#19
Yikes, Fantasy dropped hard.

Cool to see the 'three old' back in top 3!
(Yes, I'm new to SC)
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 30 2009 19:01 GMT
#20
On December 01 2009 02:15 okum wrote:
Great PR! When in doubt, Flash-Jaedong-Bisu (in some order) is always a good top three.

Ya. If you're going by the ''Who would be the favourite in a Bo5?''-criteria (which I tend to do) they would pretty much be permanent holders of the Top 3 spots. Unless someone else does something great or one of them fucks up majorly they are kinda there by default in my eyes.
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