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TLnet Poll - Valkyries in TvZ:

Valkyries in TvZ: :

Viable alternative (562)30%
Revolutionary (442)23%
Just a phase (382)20%
Gimmick build (295)16%
It's the maps fault! (208)11%

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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 18 2008 11:09 GMT
#1
Just a Phase:

Its against the new mutalisk style obviously..
hatred outlives the hateful
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
October 18 2008 11:11 GMT
#2
Viable Alternative.

But as a Zerg player, I'd like an "Annoying" option.
parasite
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
October 18 2008 11:13 GMT
#3
Phase / Maps.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 18 2008 11:34 GMT
#4
Valkyries' fundamental weaknesses remain unchanged: they are still high up the tech tree, expensive, immobile while firing and weak against scourge. It's only a matter of time before zergs get them under control.
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
October 18 2008 11:55 GMT
#5
Charles Darwin.
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
GeneralCash
Profile Joined December 2005
Croatia346 Posts
October 18 2008 12:00 GMT
#6
the glich with a lot of units causing valks to not fire often makes them useless late game. i think it's the maps anyway.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 18 2008 12:02 GMT
#7
it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it. But it's a viable option, since it has also the element of surprise.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7929 Posts
October 18 2008 12:08 GMT
#8
Imo, it's a step in TvZ evolution, and an efficient alternative to the normal muta build.

Zerg will have to adapt and the gameplay will evolve. As usual.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
October 18 2008 12:13 GMT
#9
maps..ez
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 18 2008 12:17 GMT
#10
BM
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
oob
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden630 Posts
October 18 2008 12:28 GMT
#11
On October 18 2008 21:02 Geo.Rion wrote:
it's not revolutinary, if the Terrans start to use it often, the zergs will adopt very fast and crush it.


Isn't that exactly what happened with the Bisu build? And people said that was revolutionary..
Happiest man on earth
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 18 2008 12:42 GMT
#12
Isn't the fact it's a viable alternative revolutionary?
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
October 18 2008 13:43 GMT
#13
GGPlay was the victim of this crazy terran-friendly maps on OGN
Why So Serious?!
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 18 2008 14:09 GMT
#14
On October 18 2008 21:42 SuperJongMan wrote:
Isn't the fact it's a viable alternative revolutionary?

if you have a dynamic IP just vote twice.
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
October 18 2008 14:36 GMT
#15
Couldnt be revolutionary.
I have a replay of Boxer dating back to 2002-4 where he uses Valkyries against a Z on LT.

I think they are good if the zerg is doing the muta build and get surprised by valk timing.
If spotted, I dont see why wraiths arent much different. Easier to harass with wraiths since it also attacks the ground.
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Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
October 18 2008 14:48 GMT
#16
On October 18 2008 22:43 mIsUZu wrote:
GGPlay was the victim of this crazy terran-friendly maps on OGN

I'm glad sAviOr wasn't a victim of that.
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
October 18 2008 14:58 GMT
#17
I'd say viable alternative. It can easily be crushed but there are many factors that prevent it from being so.
First off, element of surprise. As any other build, this element can help players win game.
Second, it causes panic, and makes them make premature decisions.
Third, most Zergs have issues adapting. They wouldn't know what to do in this case, until a specific counter will have been released.
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
October 18 2008 15:24 GMT
#18
The best thing about Valkyries are not their ability to kill ovies/mutas but the way most Zerg players will react to it if Valkyrie number increases by so much that scourges start becoming ineffective. These Zergs who have trouble adapting will probably transition to mass hydra as a counter, which will then get countered by tanks

As a Zerg player, I feel like the most important way to bring down Valkyries is Scourges. Cheap, efficient, and can be snuck under while Mutas soak up the damage
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
October 18 2008 15:26 GMT
#19
On October 18 2008 20:55 Felagund wrote:
Charles Darwin.


Exactly. And the valkyries will survive and reproduce.
"If I think, everything is lost"
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
October 18 2008 15:35 GMT
#20
phase and maps fo sho
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