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On June 10 2011 07:15 ExArcher wrote:
Hey,
My bud ExDessambrae spent quite a while making a writeup of his Queen/Broodlord strategy, and it was closed promptly after lots of positive responses. He went to bed right after posting, so I'm basically wondering why it was closed. Is there anything he could do to raise it to TL's standards, or was it just deemed to be an outdated build?
Thanks ^_^
I PM'd him about it. There's a line for threads being too theorycrafty and saying "let's just mass queens early and go straight to brood lords" without considering how you're going to take your 3rd, how you're going to stop the Protoss from taking his 3rd, how the macro game's going to turn out because of that, and how he's actually going to engage (since he can't really attack off creep) isn't acceptable. Basically, it seems like he posted the thread without thinking through all the logistics of such a strategy. I appreciate the effort he put into the post, but it doesn't belong in Strategy. He can post it in blogs if he wants.
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Thanks!
I'll see if we can improve the post, since it's a strategy he has used several times against master league players, and it has been a winning strat in tournaments we have hosted. We'd love for people to discover and try it.
Thanks again, you are awesome!
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Those websites are stupid. Basically they get people to visit the site and vote so they can get money from ads and their site gets exposure. They don't mean anything at all.
Edit:sorry for semi-bump
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Hyrule19192 Posts
It's awful, is the primary reason (at least that's my guess).
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A thread with that little content in Strat wouldn't fly if it wasn't related to game balance... two wrongs definitely don't make a right.
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It wasn't in strat! 
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On June 30 2011 08:57 KgKris wrote:It wasn't in strat!
Meh, it was still a content-less OP that invited nothing but a choice between useless theorycrafting or balance whining. I only saw it after the lock, but it had the look of a Strat closure, especially with Saracen closing it.
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Hi. It wasn't mine, but I was wondering why the "Be jailed for streaming Starcraft 2" thread was closed. Aside from the obviously poor thread title and OP, the article is insightful and an important issue. The thread was closed with a quote specifying that infringement must be done"(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain," which seems to exclude many smaller streamers, but there are many people in the community who DO stream for financial gain, so I think there are definitely things to be discussed here, if people will actually read the link :-/
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United States7488 Posts
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I suspect it has something to do with one of the following
- It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me.
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On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote:I suspect it has something to do with one of the following - It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me.
would still like an official mod response and not speculation
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On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote:I suspect it has something to do with one of the following - It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me. would still like an official mod response and not speculation
It's alright to be upset when one of your threads got closed, especially if it was a large and active discussion.
However, Probulus' points aren't speculation, they're facts. The thread was a train wreck to begin with, lacking neutrality and imposing personal moral standards on others. Coupled with a complete failure to understand the concept behind reddit by both yourself and multiple other posters, it was bound to be closed sooner rather than later.
Do you seriously think that "my moral standard and point of view are superior, so either agree with me or shut up" is a good start for a discussion?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote:I suspect it has something to do with one of the following - It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me. would still like an official mod response and not speculation
Poor judgement call on my part, sorry  threads about sensitive subject matter have a tendency to go off the rails and end up as a flaming pile of gut and wreckage, so I was taking a precautionary measure. After talking to the rest of the staff I don't think your thread is so doomed anymore. I just read the situation wrong and acted a little too quickly. It's re-opened.
And sorry for the delayed response, I've been up to some things IRL the past couple days  when issues like this need to be addressed we feel it's best for the moderator who performed the action to take responsibility for explaining the action, which is why you didn't see another moderator reply during the last few days
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Edit: Thanks to kleinmuugh for showing the right thread
Hello I made a forum post regarding the idea of making starcraft broodwar music and other misc things as unlocks to be able to be used in starcraft 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=241011
The topic had a favorable response and I am confused as it seems that it doesn't seems to brake any rules.
The reasons it got closed was these
- Don't use TL as a petition signup page.
- Don't use TL as an avenue for changing SC2.
- Please think through your ideas more than "Wouldn't this be cool?" before opening a thread.
But these are terribly confusing as there have been ton of petition pages for law bills etc. :/
I am also don't understand the second as that would mean that tons of threads and comments regarding balance or just anything wanting to improve/make worse (its subjective)/change sc2 would have to be closed ??
I also want to expand my knowledge around ''wouldn't this be cool?'' I just basically made a thread that expanded the reward mechanic other then the existing pool of portraits and idols so that brood war sounds and other related objects could be unlocked.
But more importantly how are one supposed to discuss cosmetic things? Like similar ideas where people expand the achivements etc. How should I have worded my topic so that its acceptable? Or can you just not talk about achivement unlocks or various cosmetic things?
I firmly believe that it would be profitable as a poster for hots or the third expansion to attract both nostalgic players to buy it just as the current achivements had a similar affect on a certain consumer base that are attracted to it.
It doesn't also reach out to everything like icons and sound, as those can be game changing that is up for debate however its not up to me to pick or choose but certain things like the music for example would give much benefit to the enjoyment of the game.
Would be really nice if it could be unlocked for the public
Best regards and wishes
Userstupidname
Ps
Hope I wasn't to aggressive, I am sorry if it seems so I am just lacking knowledge around this closing down of the thread
Also excuse my english >.< :p
Other threads of similar nature
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238769
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On July 08 2011 05:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote:I suspect it has something to do with one of the following - It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me. would still like an official mod response and not speculation Poor judgement call on my part, sorry threads about sensitive subject matter have a tendency to go off the rails and end up as a flaming pile of gut and wreckage, so I was taking a precautionary measure. After talking to the rest of the staff I don't think your thread is so doomed anymore. I just read the situation wrong and acted a little too quickly. It's re-opened. And sorry for the delayed response, I've been up to some things IRL the past couple days when issues like this need to be addressed we feel it's best for the moderator who performed the action to take responsibility for explaining the action, which is why you didn't see another moderator reply during the last few days
Well this may be very noble, it begs the question, what exactly is so redeeming about that thread?
Here are some choice responses since it has been reopened
On July 08 2011 05:53 GhettoSheep wrote:
I really don't care...
On July 08 2011 05:57 Rinny wrote:
The reddit admins can't ban stuff like that. The users would throw one of there biweekly shit storms.
On July 08 2011 06:13 relyt wrote:
It's not my problem if someone gets off to jailbait. I don't see why people should care about this. A dude jerking off to a 14 year old a in swimsuit has no effect on me, so why should I tell them he can't do it?
On July 08 2011 06:14 Leporello wrote:So, if TeamLiquid allowed a thread in the General subforum where people posted unsolicited pictures of minors that are meant to be as revealing, provocative, and lewd as possible, you'd all be cool with that? Since it's not TeamLiquid itself that's posting the pictures? + Show Spoiler +
Websites decide what content stays and what goes, despite what user-content may be put on there. I don't use reddit, but if a website I do visit on a casual-basis were to allow such content, I'd start going elsewhere. Save that stuff for the seedy pr0n sites and 4chan -- another website I'm glad to never visit.
I understand reddit is supposed to be a very wide-ranged forum for user-content, but that doesn't mean anything and everything. They can and do censor things at their own discretion.
This has nothing to do with internet censorship, unless you think Reddit is the entire internet. This has more to do with whether reddit is to be a casual-friendly place, or another 4chan, imo.
On July 08 2011 06:38 Hyren wrote:
Sarcastic post that makes sweeping generalizations to compare /r/jailbate to a completely different, less threatening entity/site. Guffaw to self at how clever I am.
On July 08 2011 06:44 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 17:45 ubersoph wrote:Anything you can see on a public beach in the US is ok. How about what you see on a european beach? or an african beach? idiot
13 responses at time of writing, 6 of dubious quality. I am not advocating that there is something inherently wrong with this thread, rather I don't know what redeems it.
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On July 08 2011 13:35 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 05:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote:On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote:I suspect it has something to do with one of the following - It reads like a crusade looking for recruitments
- TL is not reddit
- People starting referencing Nazi Germany
- It is a long shot to say that because reddit has subforums that have content that may be harmful to people, we on TL should up in arms about GSL mentioning reddit communities that have nothing to do with the subforums that so concern you.
- If you don't like reddit, don't go there
- If you really wanted change, start with reddit not TL.
- TL is not reddit
- Fakesteve didn't like the thread
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me. would still like an official mod response and not speculation Poor judgement call on my part, sorry threads about sensitive subject matter have a tendency to go off the rails and end up as a flaming pile of gut and wreckage, so I was taking a precautionary measure. After talking to the rest of the staff I don't think your thread is so doomed anymore. I just read the situation wrong and acted a little too quickly. It's re-opened. And sorry for the delayed response, I've been up to some things IRL the past couple days when issues like this need to be addressed we feel it's best for the moderator who performed the action to take responsibility for explaining the action, which is why you didn't see another moderator reply during the last few days Well this may be very noble, it begs the question, what exactly is so redeeming about that thread? Here are some choice responses since it has been reopened Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 05:57 Rinny wrote:
The reddit admins can't ban stuff like that. The users would throw one of there biweekly shit storms. Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 06:13 relyt wrote:
It's not my problem if someone gets off to jailbait. I don't see why people should care about this. A dude jerking off to a 14 year old a in swimsuit has no effect on me, so why should I tell them he can't do it? Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 06:14 Leporello wrote:So, if TeamLiquid allowed a thread in the General subforum where people posted unsolicited pictures of minors that are meant to be as revealing, provocative, and lewd as possible, you'd all be cool with that? Since it's not TeamLiquid itself that's posting the pictures? + Show Spoiler +
Websites decide what content stays and what goes, despite what user-content may be put on there. I don't use reddit, but if a website I do visit on a casual-basis were to allow such content, I'd start going elsewhere. Save that stuff for the seedy pr0n sites and 4chan -- another website I'm glad to never visit.
I understand reddit is supposed to be a very wide-ranged forum for user-content, but that doesn't mean anything and everything. They can and do censor things at their own discretion.
This has nothing to do with internet censorship, unless you think Reddit is the entire internet. This has more to do with whether reddit is to be a casual-friendly place, or another 4chan, imo.
Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 06:38 Hyren wrote:
Sarcastic post that makes sweeping generalizations to compare /r/jailbate to a completely different, less threatening entity/site. Guffaw to self at how clever I am. Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 06:44 ELA wrote:On July 04 2011 17:45 ubersoph wrote:Anything you can see on a public beach in the US is ok. How about what you see on a european beach? or an african beach? idiot 13 responses at time of writing, 6 of dubious quality. I am not advocating that there is something inherently wrong with this thread, rather I don't know what redeems it.
Alright, it has been four days without a response to this. In the meantime this thread has decended anarchy. The OP has a blatant agenda and is intent on trying to convince all and sundry that reddit is supporting the abuse young women. Any reasonable attempt to explain the situation has been met with distain.
There have been many requests for the thread to be closed and the mods response has been "don't bump the thread".
So, again I ask, what is so redeeming about this thread that it deserved to be reopened? I will be posting a link in the thread to here so people understand the reasoning given so far.
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