EPTAnd that's where we are today. Breaking that system hurts the people who have benefited from it. There is some real human cost, and those who seek to roll back/ repeal the ACA need to acknowledge that. If Republicans are going to use the "literally killing babies" argument on abortion, I don't see why "literally killing people" can't be argued re: healthcare.
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
And that's where we are today. Breaking that system hurts the people who have benefited from it. There is some real human cost, and those who seek to roll back/ repeal the ACA need to acknowledge that. If Republicans are going to use the "literally killing babies" argument on abortion, I don't see why "literally killing people" can't be argued re: healthcare. | ||
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Plansix
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Danglars
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 12 2018 01:47 Danglars wrote: I've heard free speech killing people, tax cuts killing people, and health insurance killing people from the left here and in elected leadership positions. Illegal immigrants and terrorists aren't killing people. It's demagoguery at its finest and I'm tired of it. Would you care to explain how putting peoples' healthcare in jeopardy isn't a life and death issue? If you think you're tired of it, try being someone who depends on that system to have affordable healthcare, and having an entire party of politicians that campaigned for 8 years on repealing it because Obama did it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
On June 12 2018 01:47 Danglars wrote: I've heard free speech killing people, tax cuts killing people, and health insurance killing people from the left here and in elected leadership positions. Illegal immigrants and terrorists aren't killing people. It's demagoguery at its finest and I'm tired of it. How many americans are killed per year by illegal immigrants and terrorists? this study claims "we calculate approximately 44789 (lol that's pretty exact for an approximate) deaths among Americans aged 18 to 64 years in 2005 associated with lack of health insurance". I'm not gonna comment on free speech or tax cuts (dunno what you're referencing) but I think making universal health care a life or death issue is on point. For a whole lot of Americans, it is. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 12 2018 02:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: How many americans are killed per year by illegal immigrants and terrorists? this study claims "we calculate approximately 44789 (lol that's pretty exact for an approximate) deaths among Americans aged 18 to 64 years in 2005 associated with lack of health insurance". I'm not gonna comment on free speech or tax cuts (dunno what you're referencing) but I think making universal health care a life or death issue is on point. For a whole lot of Americans, it is. Do you also agree with the rhetoric used in context, the “if you vote for someone who opposes the ACA you’re complicit in murder?” Or even more pointed, “you’re just like the Germans who voted for the Nazis in the 20s-30s” as was brought up just one page ago? | ||
BigFan
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28665 Posts
 )There have actually been examples of perfectly logically sound hitler-comparisons. Even those end up not working out because invoking hitler in a discussion just doesn't work. And here the comparison isn't valid in addition to that. | ||
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BigFan
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 12 2018 04:08 Liquid`Drone wrote: Nope, I think that post was correctly warned. It's understandable that to someone who struggles with some life-threatening disease and depends on universal health care to stay alive gets too emotionally heated arguing the subject, but it's still not an acceptable post. Well as long as we agree on that much it’s enough for me. I suppose “keep it in perspective” is the real takeaway. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Plansix
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brian
United States9617 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8072 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:17 brian wrote: i gotta say, with few exceptions, the thread has been a whole lot better the past month. which, considering the topic du jour, is a feat imo. Yeah it's weird how quickly people comes to an agreement over human rights issues (barring a couple who I at this point am convinced are just pedantic enough to argue against absolutely anything for any reason). | ||
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brian
United States9617 Posts
even before stories broke about the horrible treatment of these particular people the topic was deep into immigration it was still a good read. this wasn’t as likely in the old thread imo. which isn’t to say it didn’t happen. i’m just saying i do think the new thread is still promoting better posting. the honeymoon phase has lasted longer than expected for most people, i’d imagine. assuming i’m not alone in my opinion on these observations. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And the bans lead to some folks reforming their more passive aggressive posting habits. Or in my case, overtly aggressive posting habits. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23220 Posts
On June 27 2018 13:02 Seeker wrote: Guys, the thread is starting to become wild again. Let's keep things on track, don't personally attack one another, and keep the debates focused on political topics only. | ||
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