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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 17 2018 11:14 GMT
#2901
The closed threads automated banlist says it's because of a PM he sent. It's not related to feedback of US pol thread, and better discussed in the TL community automated ban list thread I guess.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18854 Posts
May 17 2018 11:18 GMT
#2902
Nah, he harasses people through PM in relation to their political posts, so I don't see why folks couldn't discuss it here.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2018 11:48 GMT
#2903
Can confirm. Straight up told him never to PM me again months ago.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
May 17 2018 12:46 GMT
#2904
On May 17 2018 20:48 Plansix wrote:
Can confirm. Straight up told him never to PM me again months ago.


He was a little salty with me when I backtalked his Abolish the Police ramblings, too, but I never saw need to report. What did he PM you about?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2018 12:58 GMT
#2905
During that weird time when he was constantly bringing me up in the thread. I don’t dislike GH, but he can get fixated on getting people to admit they were wrong.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
May 17 2018 14:32 GMT
#2906
Can someone link me to the post or posts where a user on TL is advocating for ethnic cleansing? I need to take a closer look at those.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-17 14:57:17
May 17 2018 14:56 GMT
#2907
Overtly? Or through posting things like the 14 words and advocating for ethnostates? Because most folks who are into that stuff know how to be subtle enough to talk it back if they get called out on it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-17 15:30:09
May 17 2018 15:01 GMT
#2908
Unlike with the other PM master I’ve gotten irate PMs from GH before so I don’t feel as left out this time.

On May 17 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
Can someone link me to the post or posts where a user on TL is advocating for ethnic cleansing? I need to take a closer look at those.

It was largely an aggressive reaction to people advocating persistently for mass deportation. Happened months ago and I don’t think he ever let it go.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2018 15:20 GMT
#2909
It is also a phrase that gets a lot of use whenever Israel comes up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-17 15:47:57
May 17 2018 15:45 GMT
#2910
On May 17 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
Can someone link me to the post or posts where a user on TL is advocating for ethnic cleansing? I need to take a closer look at those.

the original case that happened months ago? or the recent border-line ish ones? just asking to clarify for others; I don't have the links for either, only a vague sense of where to look.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-17 15:48:15
May 17 2018 15:47 GMT
#2911
Search “ethnic cleansing” with username Greenhorizons on the TL search feature, click the earliest result, and voila. It’s barely worth revisiting though. Maybe if only to ban Mohdoo to please the GH machine.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
May 17 2018 15:50 GMT
#2912
GH wants me to take a closer look at it. IDK where to look though.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22103 Posts
May 17 2018 15:54 GMT
#2913
On May 18 2018 00:50 Seeker wrote:
GH wants me to take a closer look at it. IDK where to look though.
If he wants you to look at it surely he can provide a link Oo
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 17 2018 15:55 GMT
#2914
On May 18 2018 00:50 Seeker wrote:
GH wants me to take a closer look at it. IDK where to look though.

Start here.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 17 2018 15:57 GMT
#2915
On May 17 2018 15:59 xM(Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2018 02:13 IgnE wrote:
On May 16 2018 16:30 xM(Z wrote:
what the fuck people, i find the 'they want to die' logic asinine; there is nothing factual about it.
no one wants to die(excluding people with disorders here) period, not even those strapped on explosive belts that blow themselves up.

both indoctrination and socialization(by living there) can lead(and do lead in this case) to extreme manifestations of violence/rage but neither trigger an actual desire to die in its supporters. the former comes from "i don't want to die but <insert indoctrination reason here> and the later from 'i don't care if i die because <insert oppressive reason here>'.

how does this dying stuff would work anyway?:
- does one randomly wakes up one day with an acute desire to die(when, how, why)?;
- does one always wanted to die?; was it born that way?; is it like a chronic disease there?;
- did palestinians started breeding walking ticking time bombs because ... evolution?.

just honestly, fuck off with that.


what do you mean there's nothing factual about it? let's return to Marx here: "they do not know it, but they are doing it"

why is it that people who are so keen to criticize the libertarian/liberal concept of rational autonomous subjectivity, homo oeconomicus, are the first to disavow the unconscious of the oppressed? "how does it work? it makes no economic/biological sense!" since when is desire an entirely conscious operation? anyone who consciously desires death is "disordered," anti-biological.
(first: to me, desire = a wish or longing; craving, more implied than articulated; primal. if i have the wrong meaning then i don't know, suggest another word.)
second, i won't even touch on the homo economicus bit because it defeats your whole argument then i can't nitpick at it+ Show Spoiler +
even if we go with what the wiki has here,
self-interested agents who usually pursue their subjectively-defined ends optimally.
there's no way you can show how back and forth fighting then running for cover is an optimal way to pursue ones death.
.

i think that i understand your post(for the most part), but you're interchangeably mixing two contexts: i desire/urge to die(a.k.a., the unconscious of the oppressed) vs i have the right to die(a.k.a., liberal concept of rational autonomous subjectivity). you use what you think might trigger the former to justify the/an outcome of the later.

the answer to your question(in very broad strokes) comes from understanding the relation of those contexts with each other.
the structure is layered, with the want at the bottom and the right on top and as with entropy, it has one and only one heading - up.
meaning, the desire to die is prior to the right to die; if you don't fix or get passed the desire you can't reach 'the right to'('cause you're fucking dead) and if you're already pondering on your 'right to' then the desire is no longer an option(it was replaced by a need to die).

throwing rocks at people with guns can be seen as a rational gesture if you're trying to die but to justify it, you need a rational reason for what triggered it; you can't say but the unconscious ...+ Show Spoiler +
the part of your mind that contains feelings and thoughts that you do not know about, and that influences the way you behave
because it, will always trigger unconscious/automated reactions.

if you admit that for rational actions the trigger needs to be a rational reason, then you have to look at palestinians as rational agents and you(the liberal, since you brought it up) are not able to do that because then you'll need to justify what's happening there(morally and ethically) and objectively, you can't do it.

the western culture taught you that you can sometimes be allowed a right to die in extreme conditions(pain, life quality ..etc) and applying that to this scenario, makes palestinians 'want to die'(as people put it) also stem from atrocious living conditions and not from the fucking unconscious.

(ps: i'm not using fuck as a stance enforcer or something; i just fuck a lot, it doesn't mean much here)


no what im saying at the beginning there is that while it might be inappropriate to say that they had a conscious, deliberate wish to die, it might be true that they still had an (unconscious) desire to die. if you read my sentence carefully, i am asking why someone like you, who criticizes liberal policies which assume homo oeconomicus pertains, refuses to see anything but homo oeconomicus when it comes to desire (ie "this makes no sense, no one wants to die, etc"). lastly i contested even this biopolitical logic of control (that only the "disordered" could possibly consciously wish to die), intimating that some people might consciously, deliberately wish to die, which you admit may be the case in extreme conditions
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2018 16:01 GMT
#2916
Does he state which person was advocating for it? People have said some wild shit in USpol in the past.

Also, he has access to the search feature while banned......
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 17 2018 16:20 GMT
#2917
On May 18 2018 00:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2018 00:50 Seeker wrote:
GH wants me to take a closer look at it. IDK where to look though.

Start here.

That’s a good section of the thread. Good memories.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2018 16:32 GMT
#2918
Ah, the Roy Moore era of the thread. And man ethnic cleansing gets some use in those pages.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 17 2018 16:40 GMT
#2919
reading the last page of the thread where everyone attacks introvert for pointing out a clarification it has become apparent that the thread is now just a safe space where thinking is prohibited. multiple posts accusing introvert of being a stupid, hypocritical, reprobate "without a leg to stand on." RIP thread
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 17 2018 16:44 GMT
#2920
On May 18 2018 01:40 IgnE wrote:
reading the last page of the thread where everyone attacks introvert for pointing out a clarification it has become apparent that the thread is now just a safe space where thinking is prohibited. multiple posts accusing introvert of being a stupid, hypocritical, reprobate "without a leg to stand on." RIP thread

Might we need to add trigger warnings to keep the space safe?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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