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United States43785 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:40 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:36 KwarK wrote:On November 17 2012 05:28 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:26 corumjhaelen wrote:
Report bannable posts.
Also you are a retard. I took your advice. Now we wait. :p I dismissed the report for this post as this entire topic is a moderation writeoff in my opinion. If you would like a second opinion though then feel free to contact any other mod (Falling was active in this topic earlier). On an unrelated note I also saw a report for this while I was there On November 16 2012 12:00 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
it's a shame, that house was the bomb and actually gave it a pass because if I moderated him for that then I'd have to hand you one for this On November 17 2012 02:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 16 2012 12:00 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
it's a shame, that house was the bomb Oh boy, here come the puns! This will be a blast. and then there would be no end to your complaining in this topic. Consider yourself warned regarding that, just thought I'd give you some mod transparency there. Why would you moderate him for that in the first place? I've seen dozens of times a string of pun jokes in a thread without warnings.
Report it next time. I just gave him a "we don't do that on tl anymore" warning because it's shitposting that used to be fun in 2006 when we were a small niche community but now the general forum is as full as it is it's nothing but noise.
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Lalalaland34502 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? Show nested quote +What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable.
Here is the part where Kwark will tell you that mods tend to avoid moderating people/persons they are directly involved with to avoid bias.
And isn't that contradicting the part where you claim you never said people are out to get you?
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On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? Show nested quote +What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable.
No, see, that's actually not what you said. You accused mods of holding a grudge, which generally implies they're out to get you. You provided absolutely no basis for the implication. The implication was refuted with fairly solid circumstantial evidence, which you had no answer for, save to try and re-make your argument to mean something entirely different than what you initially said.
Claiming to be misunderstood won't convince anyone of anything when the exact wording is pretty explicit.
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On November 17 2012 05:46 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. No, see, that's actually not what you said. You accused mods of holding a grudge, which generally implies they're out to get you. You provided absolutely no basis for the implication. The implication was refuted with fairly solid circumstantial evidence, which you had no answer for, save to try and re-make your argument to mean something entirely different than what you initially said. Claiming to be misunderstood won't convince anyone of anything when the exact wording is pretty explicit.
Can you really see no distinction between saying "some people hold a grudge" and saying "the mods are collectively out to get me"?
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United States43785 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:49 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:46 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. No, see, that's actually not what you said. You accused mods of holding a grudge, which generally implies they're out to get you. You provided absolutely no basis for the implication. The implication was refuted with fairly solid circumstantial evidence, which you had no answer for, save to try and re-make your argument to mean something entirely different than what you initially said. Claiming to be misunderstood won't convince anyone of anything when the exact wording is pretty explicit. Can you really see no distinction between saying "some people hold a grudge" and saying "the mods are collectively out to get me"?
I believe when you first raised this theory that someone was out to get you I took a look at your mod history and could not work out who it was because there was no pattern in the mods dealing with you (or indeed any recent significant action on you at all).
It was you who then clarified that it wasn't a specific mod but mods generally before dismissing the subject.
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On November 17 2012 05:49 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:46 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. No, see, that's actually not what you said. You accused mods of holding a grudge, which generally implies they're out to get you. You provided absolutely no basis for the implication. The implication was refuted with fairly solid circumstantial evidence, which you had no answer for, save to try and re-make your argument to mean something entirely different than what you initially said. Claiming to be misunderstood won't convince anyone of anything when the exact wording is pretty explicit. Can you really see no distinction between saying "some people hold a grudge" and saying "the mods are collectively out to get me"?
When you also said... I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least.
That strongly suggests a trend, and an active, or tacitly approved policy of suppressing dissent towards moderation through further moderation.
So yeah, long story short, I don't see a relevant difference between what you said and how it was characterized by others as persecution.
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Lalalaland34502 Posts
some people have a grudge
is fine
I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards
is the same as 'people are out to get me'
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On November 17 2012 05:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 05:49 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:46 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:44 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:43 JingleHell wrote:On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 17 2012 05:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
jd, due to your abl posting i am biased in your favor, but you have driven off every single person inclined ideologically to defend you, due to your insistence that mods are out to get you. You have a bad moderation history, and your reap what you sow. I would much rather side with you than some of the people attacking you, but you make it really hard. This is the absolute last time I'm going to respond to this claim. I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. That is precisely what you yourself are admitting, that your view of me in your mind is painting your response to my posts or arguments in an unreasonably negative fashion. I have never said there is a conspiracy or mods out to get me. On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 14:02 KwarK wrote:On November 15 2012 13:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:On November 15 2012 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Honestly, the politics threads are so unevenly (and sometimes horrifically) moderated that I'm rather disinclined to continue posting in them. The double standard is ridiculous. Thanks for having the guts to admit this openly. Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. This is website feedback, you can say pretty much whatever you like in here and not get banned. Feel free to call us godless liberals if you want. The flipside of this is that I can be more than usually blunt in addressing your concerns, the freedom to be frank with each other goes both ways. I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least. What do you call this? What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable. No, see, that's actually not what you said. You accused mods of holding a grudge, which generally implies they're out to get you. You provided absolutely no basis for the implication. The implication was refuted with fairly solid circumstantial evidence, which you had no answer for, save to try and re-make your argument to mean something entirely different than what you initially said. Claiming to be misunderstood won't convince anyone of anything when the exact wording is pretty explicit. Can you really see no distinction between saying "some people hold a grudge" and saying "the mods are collectively out to get me"? I believe when you first raised this theory that someone was out to get you I took a look at your mod history and could not work out who it was because there was no pattern in the mods dealing with you (or indeed any recent significant action on you at all). It was you who then clarified that it wasn't a specific mod but mods generally before dismissing the subject.
I don't remember saying anything like that. If I did imply that in some way, I will clarify now that is certainly not the way I feel, I know that the vast majority of mods on this site are perfectly reasonable and fair.
I haven't presented any evidence, because I'm not trying to make this case here. I don't even want to discuss the issue, it is other people bringing it up again and again because they think it's fun to criticize me and call me paranoid.
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dissociative identity disorder and paranoid schizophrenia. calling it.
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I have fifteen Prussian thalers on rabies
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United States43785 Posts
On November 15 2012 14:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I'm pretty sure a number of the bans I have gotten are directly related to the grudge some people have held due to a website feedback thread I made regarding double standards. I would actually advise anyone against giving their honest feedback about moderation on this site. I've seen other people receive harsher moderation too after making threads in website feedback. That's just my honest opinion, you can tell me I am wrong, but I see what people get away with around here and the things I have been banned for, and they are not consistent to say the least.
In this post you state unambiguously that one or more moderators has a grudge against you and that they have been moderating you more harshly because of it. You add that you believe that the cause of this grudge is that you challenged moderation.
My initial response to this claim was to ask who it is you feel is doing this as I couldn't work it out from a list of mod actions against you
On November 15 2012 14:16 KwarK wrote:
I took a look at your mod history. You haven't gotten a serious ban in almost a year and there is no real pattern regarding moderators taking action with you. ETT probably has the plurality of recent actions but opts to warn you. Mind if I ask who you think is persecuting you because I can't figure it out?
but rather than name the moderator or moderators who are holding this grudge you instead dismissed the entire subject. I am still entirely unsure who you think is persecuting you because I am unable to find any harsh moderation against you to try and draw a pattern from (no long bans for 10 months) and no one moderator appearing disproportionately in the warnings. It is my conclusion at this point that you are just paranoid and this grudge is in your head but you have dismissed the subject so whatever.
Then you felt the need to bring back your same grudge theory without addressing any of the issues like "why is there no harsh moderation being done to you?" and "why is there no pattern in the moderators interacting with you?" here.
On November 15 2012 16:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I've seen that sort of "discussion" myself. I've received ridiculous bans before, and when someone questioned them in ABL they received the stock answer "he's got history you don't know" and they are forced to be content with that. It's not a matter of calling out the mods in particular, it's about being harsher on people they don't like, for whatever reason. In my own case it started with criticism of moderation, I noticed an immediate change after that.
You reassert that the moderation done to you is ridiculous, that it is disproportionately harsh because you are not liked. This time, rather than insist it is a specific grudge held by a mod or mods, you suggest that there's a policy of being harsher on people "they don't like", a group you feel you are part of ever since you criticised moderation.
Although you assert here that you only ever made a general point about moderation and how no individual can ever be truly subjective
On November 17 2012 05:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I never once said that the mods were out to get me. What I said is that personal bias and emotion can come into moderation, which is undeniable.
in both of the above quotes you specifically refer to harsher moderation being done to you, and indeed explain that it is being done to you as a direct result of you criticising moderation. I therefore find this defence that you were simply talking about how humans in general are subjective creatures to be entirely unfounded within your prior statements.
It is therefore my conclusion, as evidenced by the above, that you did claim that you were being victimised, either by one or more mods holding a grudge or by the collective after you were flagged as "someone they don't like" and that you believe you have been and still are the victim on ongoing harsh moderation on account of this personal/collective grudge.
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See, now that's how you formulate an argument. None of this A = B because I say so, and now I'm going to refer to both A and B as B.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
After reading the past few pages I don't see anything useful being accomplished here. Hence, I am locking it.
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