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On August 24 2011 14:30 Elefanto wrote:It makes me really really sad that the final edits lost their spotlight. They are awesome pieces of history and effort of the TL community. When i first came to TL roughly 3 years ago as a lurker, and read through these, i was completely blown away by the high quality writing, graphics, passion and commitment of the people on this page. I read most of them and learned about the history of Broodwar, what happened before i came to the scene and what some players meant. That they weren't just a name, that they stood for something, that they built a legacy. I really hope they come back to the spotlight, because if anything deserves it, then the final edits. Especially over something as trivial as the Pools for instance  .
Features -> final edits
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It's also harder to make an SC2 power rank because they don't have a stable team league. In Brood War, when SPL is running (most of the year) each team is guaranteed to play every week, so even if player X gets knocked out of the OSL/MSL, he can still play in the proleague. SC2 doesn't have an established team league and thus a power rank for it is gonna look an awful lot like the guys who make it to the code S Ro8, making it not so useful to write.
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Well they have GSTL, but it doesn't play nearly as frequently.
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apparently they had the time to implement all these changes for SC2 but not enough time to implement the much-needed and much-requested calendar with BW events (which I recall was said to be "under work")
saddening to see that TL is neglecting BW so much, the game without which the community would have not existed in the first place
reminds me bit of blizzard itself, after the merge with activision
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On August 24 2011 13:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's still replacing it, no matter how you look at it -- BW rank is gone from right sidebar, SC2 rank is there, discussion or no. As I said, it's been slowly happening the whole time. Fantasy SC2 over Fantasy SCBW, the TLPD search engine defaulting to SC2. It's completely understandable and even expected because TL is primarily SC2 fans nowadays and I'm not bitter (was just confused for a bit), it's just like watching the old awesome dog you've known and had for years slowly drift away while people pet the new puppy, you know?
i'm very bitter. very. this sucks.
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On August 24 2011 14:46 phosphorylation wrote:
apparently they had the time to implement all these changes for SC2 but not enough time to implement the much-needed and much-requested calendar with BW events (which I recall was said to be "under work")
saddening to see that TL is neglecting BW so much, the game without which the community would have not existed in the first place
reminds me bit of blizzard itself, after the merge with activision
***I am a huge BW fanboy***
It makes perfect sense that SC2 is the forefront.
TL is a website, and I think my other major forum said it best when they changed names from Fbodyonline.com to Camarozone.com
(for the record: What an F Body is. - TLDR all Firebirds and Camaros are F-bodies. The Firebird is no longer being made as Pontiac went out of business, leaving the Camaro as the only "F Body" left.)
The Site Owner:
So I've got a pretty big and exciting announcement to make.
We've come to the decision to rebrand the site & move domain names to CamaroZone.com . The site is still going to be the same members, and all posts/photos/galleries, etc.. will all stay as they are. It is simply a name change.
I don't want any firebird owners to think that we're throwing them to the curb and the firebird will still be a prominent feature of the site, but just as GM did, we need to move forward and make sure we stay current with what people are looking for. This will allow us to not only work with 5th Generation Owners, but 6th Generation and on after that, as the F-Body is no longer in production.
We had to think long and hard about this change but felt it would be in the best interest of the community to evolve.We definitely plan to make sure firebirds and all versions of the F-Body Platform are properly represented around here.
You can basically substitute Firebird for Brood War, and Camaro for SC2, and fill in the rest of the blanks. TL is essentially doing the same thing.
TL needs to focus on its majority populace, and make sure that it stays current with events that are relevant to Starcraft/ ESPORTS.
Can you imagine if TL NEVER touched SC2 at all? Look at how slow the BW subforums move - the users who love and support BW are still there, however it's just a slow scene at the moment. No foreign BW players doing...well...anything, and the subforums are just filled with crickets.
TL would be left in the dust, and that's not what we want. BW fan, SC2 fan, BW hater, SC2 hater. No one wants TL to fail or become stale.
I love BW more than the next guy, but I understand that TL can't just not move forward. Maybe you should try and understand that too. They need to make their SC2 content clean and easy to navigate for all the SC2 noobies, before they worry about aesthetics and making sure that a BW die-hard doesn't have to click a dropdown to select "BW - Korea" before searching for a player.
Although I'll admit, I NEVER remember to drop down to BW in the stupid search bar, and I get terribly annoyed with the Calendar. :p
On August 24 2011 14:48 TheNessman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 13:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's still replacing it, no matter how you look at it -- BW rank is gone from right sidebar, SC2 rank is there, discussion or no. As I said, it's been slowly happening the whole time. Fantasy SC2 over Fantasy SCBW, the TLPD search engine defaulting to SC2. It's completely understandable and even expected because TL is primarily SC2 fans nowadays and I'm not bitter (was just confused for a bit), it's just like watching the old awesome dog you've known and had for years slowly drift away while people pet the new puppy, you know? i'm very bitter. very. this sucks.
I disagree a tiny bit with what TwoTone is saying here, though, it's not really an SC2 power rank, it's an ELO rank. Brood War Power Rank never stacked by ELO - there's no discussion and it's an ELO number, not a tournament performance rank. It's still there, yes, but it's slightly different, so it's a little unfair to accuse TL of replacing it.
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But... SC2 power rank is not as interesting to observe, and not as dynamic (I like both games).
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Torenhire: It is an active part of the sidebar that represent only SC2, and there is no BW equivalent. It's not an exact, apples to apples replacement, but SC2 has a featured sidebar ranking. Now tell me what on the right sidebar do you see that has anything to do with BW.
I agree with you on the rest though, as I said earlier, it's to be expected.
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I'm diggin the new sidebar.
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On August 24 2011 15:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Torenhire: It is an active part of the sidebar that represent only SC2, and there is no BW equivalent. It's not an exact, apples to apples replacement, but SC2 has a featured sidebar ranking. Now tell me what on the right sidebar do you see that has anything to do with BW.
I agree with you on the rest though, as I said earlier, it's to be expected.
R1CH is working very hard on something to let you choose between bw and sc2 elo and liquipedia
To answer your question, on the right side I see that the calendar and stream list already treat sc2 and broodwar equally.
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On August 24 2011 15:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Torenhire: It is an active part of the sidebar that represent only SC2, and there is no BW equivalent. It's not an exact, apples to apples replacement, but SC2 has a featured sidebar ranking. Now tell me what on the right sidebar do you see that has anything to do with BW.
I agree with you on the rest though, as I said earlier, it's to be expected.
I said I only disagreed with you partially - it's not fair to say it's "replaced" Power Rank, because the PR is still there, it's just not on the right bar. They're two separate things.
It's replaced the PLACE of the Power Rank, but not the actual Power Rank itself, that's all I meant by that last comment.
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On August 24 2011 15:04 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 15:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Torenhire: It is an active part of the sidebar that represent only SC2, and there is no BW equivalent. It's not an exact, apples to apples replacement, but SC2 has a featured sidebar ranking. Now tell me what on the right sidebar do you see that has anything to do with BW.
I agree with you on the rest though, as I said earlier, it's to be expected. R1CH is working very hard on something to let you choose between bw and sc2 elo and liquipedia To answer your question, on the right side I see that the calendar and stream list already treat sc2 and broodwar equally.
Ah yes, a fair point. Shame nothing else is.
Actually I'm not sure how the streams priority works. Is it a matter of seniority? As the only 2 BW streams are 2 of the featured ones.
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On August 24 2011 15:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Torenhire: It is an active part of the sidebar that represent only SC2, and there is no BW equivalent. It's not an exact, apples to apples replacement, but SC2 has a featured sidebar ranking. Now tell me what on the right sidebar do you see that has anything to do with BW.
I agree with you on the rest though, as I said earlier, it's to be expected.
I don't have a problem with the direction TL as a website and forum is moving but i feel like removal of power rank and instatement (did i make up a word?) SC2 elo ranks is a indeed a replacement.
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On August 24 2011 13:54 Plexa wrote:TLPD ranking based off of ELO for international/korea in SC2 Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 13:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ah, so it'll get 2 days of being a link on the left sidebar then disappear? Oh well, I guess I kind of saw this transition slowly coming but atleast it's not totally gone. It's not really a transition, its just a matter of removing as much static content from the right as possible and replacing it with useful tools and links. I guess the exception is the SC2 ranking that is there atm, but don't read into this as SC2 ranking replacing SC1 ranking - we've been looking for a way to fit in the SC2 ranking for a while now, and it doesn't have any attached discussion threads.
Don't do this. I understand you had to transition out of BW eventually and while it does make me bitter it's fine. But you're Team Liquid, don't sit there and run PR on it like you're Blizzard or something, at least give us that much respect.
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On August 24 2011 15:18 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 13:54 Plexa wrote:On August 24 2011 13:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
What's the ranking under TLPD? TLPD ranking based off of ELO for international/korea in SC2 On August 24 2011 13:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ah, so it'll get 2 days of being a link on the left sidebar then disappear? Oh well, I guess I kind of saw this transition slowly coming but atleast it's not totally gone. It's not really a transition, its just a matter of removing as much static content from the right as possible and replacing it with useful tools and links. I guess the exception is the SC2 ranking that is there atm, but don't read into this as SC2 ranking replacing SC1 ranking - we've been looking for a way to fit in the SC2 ranking for a while now, and it doesn't have any attached discussion threads. Don't do this. I understand you had to transition out of BW eventually and while it does make me bitter it's fine. But you're Team Liquid, don't sit there and run PR on it like you're Blizzard or something, at least give us that much respect.
ouch. you will drive him away again this way you know?
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On August 24 2011 15:18 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 13:54 Plexa wrote:On August 24 2011 13:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
What's the ranking under TLPD? TLPD ranking based off of ELO for international/korea in SC2 On August 24 2011 13:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Ah, so it'll get 2 days of being a link on the left sidebar then disappear? Oh well, I guess I kind of saw this transition slowly coming but atleast it's not totally gone. It's not really a transition, its just a matter of removing as much static content from the right as possible and replacing it with useful tools and links. I guess the exception is the SC2 ranking that is there atm, but don't read into this as SC2 ranking replacing SC1 ranking - we've been looking for a way to fit in the SC2 ranking for a while now, and it doesn't have any attached discussion threads. Don't do this. I understand you had to transition out of BW eventually and while it does make me bitter it's fine. But you're Team Liquid, don't sit there and run PR on it like you're Blizzard or something, at least give us that much respect.
Seconded.
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kinda glad its gone never wanted it there!
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On August 24 2011 14:15 Kanil wrote:
The liquipedia search bar seems to default to SC2. Is there a way to search the BW liquipedia as well?
I haven't found a way. It seems you have to manually direct to the Liquidpedia (BW) page and then use the search function. Can R1CH add a drop down bar like the one under TLPD? Also I would love for each user to set the default search of TLPD to BW or SC2 Korea. I almost never search SC2 International, and I always forget to change to BW (years of habit). Of course that would be hard to implement seeing as each user's preference would have to be saved. Thanks!
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On August 24 2011 13:52 Plexa wrote:PR is moving to featured news. The reason being that PR only really receives bursts of activity around a) the beginning and end of each month b) when someone high up loses (like flash, although he never loses  !) As such, we felt that Featured Newsing it was a better fit rather than having it take up space on the right side.
then i guess "T*SL" column fits that description too.
IMO, having both power ranks of BW and SC2 will be good..
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oh, having to select the drop list each time i TLPD players is pretty annoying.
either having both BW TLPD and SC2 TLPD, or having the previous searched category be the new default search category, saved as cookie..
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.... Always knew this day was coming... Everytime i go on tl, i instinctively scroll to the vw forums and on the short way down, instinctively look right to see for that pr, and always thinking how they should make it weekly (i know thatd b stupid) and it didnt matter if it was the 15th of the month or 31th, id check for updates. No pr feels like a small piece of my soul has been lost... Those extra clicks make things different and i think TTT agrees with me. Its not the same feeling of logging onto tl and looking right at that beautiful pr.
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