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Sup TL~
I hop around most of the SC2 section of TL.net, I read far more than I post, and I noticed a very sad trend : a shitload of people just read the OP, reply the first thing that comes to their mind and move on to another topic. That's fine if someone is just posting something funny and you wanna add your "omglol" reply, but in serious discussion threads it's getting out of control.
The OP makes a pretty good topic, someone says something semi-retarded against it, then someone correct him by adding something relevant to the subject, and a few post later another person comes up with the very same semi-retarded argument that was just discussed a few posts above, but since he doesn't read it, he just pollutes the topic. This is just a generic example I don't feel like linking every references.
I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing.
I'm not pointing at everyone in general, you know if you're not one of those. I'm just putting it out there to see what the community thinks about that, and at the same time making a topic where you can really just say what you want and not read any comments 
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Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .
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I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
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what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :|
#edit - I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"! rofl  or better "omglol"
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I think enough people in the world can and don't worry about reading too much. Hell, you even learn that in school.
J/K. I agree, there's a lot of topics, where the OP puts some effort into the post, and people just say "tl;dr, but I think that *random stuff that is something else than OP*"
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I seldom participate in posts with a PPM (posts per minute) over 0.5 and already more than 40 pages. Unless its a GSL livethread.
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Can someone give me cliffs i didnt feel like reading it.
User was warned for this post
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tl;dr lolz
The reality of the situation is that this site is so large you can have a thread with 200+ pages and with a the mean post count per member of 1. To participate in this size of a forum you got to just pay attention to the 1 or 2 pages before your post or not say anything at all, hell before I'm done even writing this post about 2-3 people are going to say something. Ultimately it's just the nature of the beast.
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On January 12 2011 01:05 kuresuti wrote:
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
Hahah that just made me giggle.
On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :| #edit - rofl or better "omglol"
Yeah I was thinking that too but I think if people started reading they would realize some people already said what the were about to say, it would technically reduce the numbers of post but now that I think about it people would just quote that post and add "exactly what I was about to say". Is there like something really satisfying about getting more and more posts?
On January 12 2011 01:05 Sawamura wrote:
Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .
I personally don't read the blog section, and I figured I'm not the only one, if I want SC2 people who check pretty much only the SC2 section to have a look at this then maybe I'd need to put it in their face. I dunno, maybe not the right way to go about it either.
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I actually feel the same way but I thought for myself the best response might be to sit the problem out and trust in the competence of the moderators to take reasonable measures to bring the quality of the forums back to where it once was. I only feel bad about that it must take so much administration time to take care of all that sad stuff.
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TL;DR really gets on my nerves sometimes. I can understand it if someone is just rambling, but when you're making a coherent argument and your replies are "TL;DR" It's really offensive. Too many 4chan kiddies abound.
This forum isn't anywhere near as bad as the battle.net forums thankfully. I tend to notice that most users who make these offtopic posts or rants tend to get banned within a few days because they keep making such low quality posts. Good job mods.
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Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
I wouldn't say they've lost their ability, there is just an influx of new users who lack the ability to begin with.
I guess you could say that the quality posters are being drowned out by noise. Unfortunately it's hard to keep the Signal-Noise ratio low on any popular forum.
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I think we should call this phenomenon "Fazing", anyone agree?
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Well a general solution would be to split up the text and make the material more digestable for people that generaly don't like to read.
For an instance we could have a profetional post writing post or something silly like that.
Like this op (take it as constructive critisism please) you got 2 big blocks of text, i find it hard sometimes to read big texts on a screen, so what you could do is to split the text in 3 or 4 segments.
Or we could take the easy way out and ignore people that posts ridicolus answers thats really oftopic.
Either way i don't care much for people that signs on a forum but refuse to read.
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I have noticed this as well a lot. The most blatant example was the Morrow&Sjow "cheating scandal". There we soooo many people asking same questions or putting same comments while reading only the whole 1st page could have avoided 95% of those posts.
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something.
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Up until about a month ago I almost never posted. Ive just started getting into commentating a lot so its got me more personally involved in strategy threads.
I think the best way to be a part of the community is to post a lot but the best way to get a lot out of the community is to only read. There isn't much point to just reading the OP and then posting your answer especially when there are already multiple pages of responses.
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I totally agree with the OP, I read a lot more threads than I post in, and it really bugs me out when I see the same comment 3-4 times, even after the OP answered it twice...
OPs even often have to update their OP to specify something, just because he's tired of reading the same clueless, blind comments over and over...
I dont think we can do anything against it, but if you read the OP and felt guilty, then please adjust accordingly!
But then again, if you're one of them, you wont read this reply... OMG WE'RE DOOMED!
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I'm going to agree with a poster somewhere up there that talked about the beast. Some threads go way too fast and are way too long to be able to read every single post and take every single post into consideration before making your post. OP could be talking about cheese and then an argument spurs it into a debate on apples after talking about frogs. Now I'm going to post about the current subject of apples instead of focusing on reading about the frogs because it would take time that I most likely don't have and frogs are not relevant to the apple subject at hand so I'd be wasting my time anyways.
I can read A > B, but not A > B > ..... Y and then post Z after reading C-Y which probably consists of hundreds if not thousands of posts. D:
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