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On January 12 2011 01:31 cFAssassin wrote:
lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo.
No, that is exactly the point. Its the TL silent policy: if its not worth reading it, don't post it. But we end up with so much garbage posted, that you need to read it to not miss the important stuff. And get tired of it. And then the quality of the threads decreases in general.
The quality of a thread is for me measured in the density of interesting information, not in the amount of people answering "+1", which is what makes TL awesome, that it is actually worth reading everything.
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On January 12 2011 01:35 kazansky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:31 cFAssassin wrote:
lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo. No, that is exactly the point. Its the TL silent policy: if its not worth reading it, don't post it. But we end up with so much garbage posted, that you need to read it to not miss the important stuff. And get tired of it. And then the quality of the threads decreases in general. The quality of a thread is for me measured in the density of interesting information, not in the amount of people answering "+1", which is what makes TL awesome, that it is actually worth reading everything.
Agreed, I hate seeing nothing but "me too" "+1" posts. I think crap like that should be an auto ban for a week if not 2. Unfortunately, my report button was taken away because I reported anyone who posted like that... Which apparently isn't ban or warning worthy.
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On January 12 2011 01:27 kazansky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall. Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place  Yes, it makes me so sad. I haven't looked into the strategy forum since two weeks after beta start because all the good posters were flushed out by the current standard
Hey, I continously post in the strategy forum
Jk, there are still some very good threads/posts in the strategy forum, they are just buried and sometimes not easy to find. The kcdc-thread about the one gate FE PvT was/has been/is extraordinary, Plexa's thread on PvZ is also filled with great replies (just to mention those that immediately come to my mind).
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I generally read an entire thread if it is under 3~ pages, otherwise I just read the first few and the last few.
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United States22883 Posts
There's a few different issues being discussed here (and TL does have a several different types of situations where people fail to read properly) but the OP's might be unfixable. I agree with ChickenLips, but even in a well attended discussion, there's a point where people drop out or the discussion fizzles. Then it gets restarted from the very same starting point by someone else later and it runs that same cycle. It's definitely more common in large General and SC2 General threads than anywhere else. I haven't documented it yet, but I've noticed it sometimes tends to be around 8~ pages for this cycle.
As for a solution? I don't know. I don't expect people to read very large threads but I guess a good, "easy" way to approach it is to read the OP, and then read the last two pages to see where the discussion has led.
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I don't post alot, because of what OP's basically states. If I have something to add, then most of the time, someone already has stated it in a better written way then I could've done. But it's just the way it goes with such a huge forum.
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On January 12 2011 02:53 Jibba wrote:
As for a solution? I don't know. I don't expect people to read very large threads but I guess a good, "easy" way to approach it is to read the OP, and then read the last two pages to see where the discussion has led.
That seems like it could at least be a good rule of thumb.
Sometimes discussions get so side tracked that the OP is no longer relevant at all though. I suppose that's another issue entirely though..
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I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing.
I think originally, people mean well when they first join. When I first joined Team Liquid, I read every single post in every thread I posted in.
Then after awhile, you realize that half of the posts made are either A. Unnecessary B. Off on a tangent or C. Unneeded for my own competent reply.
Now imagine those who have made over 300 posts. I think after awhile, those people and perhaps even those with less tolerance and patience just stop reading realizing that they have formed an opinion that would seem contributory.
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On January 12 2011 18:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing. I think originally, people mean well when they first join. When I first joined Team Liquid, I read every single post in every thread I posted in. Then after awhile, you realize that half of the posts made are either A. Unnecessary B. Off on a tangent or C. Unneeded for my own competent reply. Now imagine those who have made over 300 posts. I think after awhile, those people and perhaps even those with less tolerance and patience just stop reading realizing that they have formed an opinion that would seem contributory.
Another problem is posting something to just make themselves look smart instead of adding to the conversation. I suppose that could relate to topics A, B, or C.
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Hyrule19253 Posts
Add a Like button and start banning +1 and me too posts.
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Usually I just read the relevant posts and let people bicker for bickerings sake. If I'm making my own topic or an otherwise important post, I usually preface it with something bold on top that will clarify what they [hopefully] later read, as opposed to clarifying first and getting dumb responses.
Lots of people will just respond to the title alone, though.
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On January 14 2011 22:12 tofucake wrote:
Add a Like button and start banning +1 and me too posts.
Agreed, but then again, there's favoritism and bias. Some people will +1 people they like moreso than the content they poorly introduce and vice-versa.
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sorry to disagree with many a poster here or elsewhere,
i think one should have to read the entire thread to post
(just finished the "ask anything to tl staff members"... aaaaaaaaa)
all the issues discussed until now have to do with only one thing:
respect
(and boy is that an outdated concept apparently, just like checking if what you just typed makes sense, before posting)
respect other people, respect the efforts that some do make, respect specific forum etiquette, respect people who work with only respect/self respect as a reward (mods for one)
and finally self respect (re reading one's old posts comes to mind)
a post can be a +1 or -1, although it does not advance the conversation/discussion, it serves as a "polling" data on the subject, just like the thread's post and response count... and tl mods know this i think... (although typing "why" you did +1 or -1, seems a very small effort)
derailing, trolling, repeating stuff (cause poster couldn't be bothered to read!)...bla bla bla
who cares? just jump to the next post.. (it's not like u have to read those through)
reading threads (you're genuinely interested in) throughout is never useless...
tl is a successful forum, so the sheer number of members is an issue... but give it time... 12 year olds will be 13 soon kinda thing...
i do have to mention tho:
can't stand spelling check less' posters (this to the point of some posts being incoherent to say the least ( i'm a ranty kinda guy and do ramble on, but i check before i post that my post isn't un readable))
and even less
posters who just post and never re open the thread again...
that's a symptom of the most awful realization:
most posters post not to contribute, but to exist...
and that's sick bad, but that's the 21st century
just to finish: tl mods are human beings and it's a difficult job, i don't agree with some of the ten commandments (mostly how some of these are enforced), but i still try to honor the work that has gone into their "creations/enforcing"...
just cause that's what being on a forum is:
contribution/communication is the salvation of the 21st century, but it will always be hard and it will always be subjective...
edit: fixin friggin typos
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Zurich15366 Posts
Did you seriously just complain about people not spell checking their posts or writing incoherently? Wow.
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This is a huge fix for small part of a not-yet-incredibly-terrible problem, but a forum I used to frequent, HeavenGames, has a system where the OP is displayed as the top post of all pages. Using that, it'd be easier for people who use the currentpage=last feature (like me!!) to both 1. know where the discussion is currently headed 2. know what it was about in the first place. Implement as an option if nothing else? :33333
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=2&tn=38304&f=2,,,10&st=50
http://www.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=2&tn=339701&f=2,,,10&st=125
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On January 25 2011 22:53 zatic wrote:
Did you seriously just complain about people not spell checking their posts or writing incoherently? Wow.
I thought the exact same thing. 40 Lines and not one capital letter. Hum 
On January 25 2011 19:51 baskerville wrote:
sorry to disagree with many a poster here or elsewhere,
i think one should have to read the entire thread to post
(just finished the "ask anything to tl staff members"... aaaaaaaaa)
all the issues discussed until now have to do with only one thing:
respect
(and boy is that an outdated concept apparently, just like checking if what you just typed makes sense, before posting)
respect other people, respect the efforts that some do make, respect specific forum etiquette, respect people who work with only respect/self respect as a reward (mods for one)
and finally self respect (re reading one's old posts comes to mind)
a post can be a +1 or -1, although it does not advance the conversation/discussion, it serves as a "polling" data on the subject, just like the thread's post and response count... and tl mods know this i think... (although typing "why" you did +1 or -1, seems a very small effort)
derailing, trolling, repeating stuff (cause poster couldn't be bothered to read!)...bla bla bla
who cares? just jump to the next post.. (it's not like u have to read those through)
reading threads (you're genuinely interested in) throughout is never useless...
tl is a successful forum, so the sheer number of members is an issue... but give it time... 12 year olds will be 13 soon kinda thing...
i do have to mention tho:
can't stand spelling check less' posters (this to the point of some posts being incoherent to say the least ( i'm a ranty kinda guy and do ramble on, but i check before i post that my post isn't un readable))
and even less
posters who just post and never re open the thread again...
that's a symptom of the most awful realization:
most posters post not to contribute, but to exist...
and that's sick bad, but that's the 21st century
just to finish: tl mods are human beings and it's a difficult job, i don't agree with some of the ten commandments (mostly how some of these are enforced), but i still try to honor the work that has gone into their "creations/enforcing"...
just cause that's what being on a forum is:
contribution/communication is the salvation of the 21st century, but it will always be hard and it will always be subjective...
edit: fixin friggin typos
I honestly don't agree with everything as I don't want to read posts which I need to judge beforehand worth reading or not. If it is posted, it should be better worth reading. Because I as a reader don't profit at all from someone adding nothing to a topic. And he doesn't either, because he doesn't contribute at all. He does only get one additional post, which has as effect that you can't rely on post count as a benchmark of competence that much as before, because 3000 posts don't need to be 3000 contributions in the slightest.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138038¤tpage=13#244
is this type of post bannable yet? Clearly in a 13 page thread, an opinion like that would've been posted already multiple times, yet this dude ignores everything (including the reason for the bump) and straight up posts the obvious. What does he think he's contributing? I really think lack of contribution to a thread should be bannable at this point ><;;
Great Purge of 2011: Fillerpost Edition imo plz
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sorry i should just quit this site cause apparently whatever i do i get this shit
oh sorry
Sorry, I should just quit this site because apparently whatever I do, I get this shit.
just to persist:
@zatic as i pmed you, i feel your post was one of the typical self serving post one can do
i hate capital letters, what about it?
where is my post incoherent, please enlightement me...
you are being childish... like the op or my post mentioned, you probably didn't read half my post
@ kazansky
"40 Lines and not one capital letter. Hum"(maybe it's gotta be on purpose then)
i said that it's useful to read everything, i didn't say anybody should force themselves to do it
reading a kid's rant is quite as useful as reading an adult's, a new poster's point of view is as valid reading material as a 5905 poster...
loads of posts are awful/useless for sure, but i mostly meant it's useful if one's goal is to learn "what's what" on tl or wherever
User was banned for this post.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
You are not e.e.cummings.
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EPT
