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Krallin
Profile Joined July 2010
France431 Posts
January 11 2011 16:18 GMT
#21
I've seen some posts where the original poster would keep the OP updated, quoting relevant posts (from others or himself) and state so.
At some point you can't really expect people to read like 10+ pages before replying in a topic.
zDUST
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland165 Posts
January 11 2011 16:19 GMT
#22
maybe an agree/disagree (thumb up/down) option would make it easier to contribute without everyone feeling like they need to comment and increase the thread size
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
January 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#23
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.


I think this more or less goes towards the "do we need a section where only certain people are allowed to write" - so that everybody "knew" that reading these posts would be worth his time.

Personally, I don't mind reading senventeen 8.5 x 11 pages, if every last post is well written. Sadly, that's mostly not the case.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Silent331
Profile Joined June 2010
United States356 Posts
January 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#24
People dont read all of the posts with good reason, chances are none of them know what they are talking about and unless the thread took a off topic turn there is really no reason to.
They cant beat you, They only hope you beat yourself.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
January 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#25
On January 12 2011 01:19 zDUST wrote:
maybe an agree/disagree (thumb up/down) option would make it easier to contribute without everyone feeling like they need to comment and increase the thread size

and turn this site into a youtube where everything bieber related I think not!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
January 11 2011 16:21 GMT
#26
On January 12 2011 01:17 Fraidnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.

Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something.

I have no problem with that at all - It's great to read two pages of rich content. But some of these massive replies say the same thing 16 ways, or worse, don't actually say anything at all.
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ch4ppi
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany802 Posts
January 11 2011 16:22 GMT
#27
Well u gotta take into account that MANY well written Threads are great in the first post, but they often drift away to stupid discussions, that dont touch the original topic. Personally I feel like giving feedback to the OP is much more worth, than getting into those micro discussions.

Well, If I may make an advice. I wanna know if someone replies to my comments, but u cant because some threads just feel ridiulously fast. Maybe an "Email if beeing quoted"-Option would help... but who am I to give advice =/
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
January 11 2011 16:22 GMT
#28
this has been known for quite some time, it is also fustrating when a good player has something to say and johnny bronze comes along and convinces others that he is wrong. >_< I hope the community sorts itself out but until then I guess I shall find more useful information on state of the game or 12 weeks with the pro's
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 16:23:20
January 11 2011 16:23 GMT
#29
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.


Is this an official change in policy in what's allowed? If I didn't have to read a dozen or so pages of junk before replying to a thread, in say, General, I'd probably start posting there more again.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
HTX
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany265 Posts
January 11 2011 16:24 GMT
#30
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.
The internet: a horrible collective liar
GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
January 11 2011 16:24 GMT
#31
On January 12 2011 01:17 Shifft wrote:
I think we should call this phenomenon "Fazing", anyone agree?


LOL, not sure if you're being 'meta' here...

There's a phrase -- 'opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one and they all stink.' Many people seem to think that forums like these just exist to provide them with opportunities to express their opinions, so you get these megathreads with 1000 people shitting the same opinions out over and over again.

If you agree that that's the role of a forum like this, then there's nothing wrong with it, but if you think that the purpose of a forum like this is to provide discussion, then that behavior ruins a lot of posts. I've learned not to reply unless I think I have something new to add, which means that I don't post much.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 16:26:14
January 11 2011 16:25 GMT
#32
On January 12 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 01:17 Fraidnot wrote:
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.

Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something.

I have no problem with that at all - It's great to read two pages of rich content. But some of these massive replies say the same thing 16 ways, or worse, don't actually say anything at all.


Yeah, once the discussion is well worded and argued, it's a joy to read long threads. But mostly nowadays it gets burrowed by heaps of void posts.
I know this might sound cocky or arrogant and I don't want to come along that way so don't take me wrong. But as moderators, maybe you could tighten strings even harder for a while and prohibit void content posts even further then it is already done to bring the train back on the rail?
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
January 11 2011 16:25 GMT
#33
On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.


Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 11 2011 16:26 GMT
#34
On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:
what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :|

#edit -
Show nested quote +
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
rofl or better "omglol"


I usually read until I find something that I can agree/ argue about and then go from there. Otherwise it would take days to read 90 pages of crap to find something worth discussing.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 16:28:38
January 11 2011 16:26 GMT
#35
The problem is simply that there are too many uninformed or stupid people on this site. As Chill has said, most people just brabble for a few hundred words and sometimes don't even make a point.

This leads to even very good posts by smart people not getting read because they were posted so late.

There's just so many users participating in these forums that reading a thread poses a pretty big time investment (in the time of the internet) and if you combine that with the amount of shit and stupidity floating around these forums you have yourself the problem you described in the OP.

On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.


I don't think you asided the joking when you continued with that post.
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lurked
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada918 Posts
January 11 2011 16:27 GMT
#36
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.

I totally agree with you, but then again, some thread would fill a LOT slower if most people would read the replies before posting something, and it would avoid filling 89 pages with only 3-4 arguments repeated indefinitely.
Magic is "just" magic until I get my hands on the source code.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
January 11 2011 16:27 GMT
#37
On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.


Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place


Yes, it makes me so sad. I haven't looked into the strategy forum since two weeks after beta start because all the good posters were flushed out by the current standard
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 16:30:01
January 11 2011 16:27 GMT
#38
On January 12 2011 01:05 Sawamura wrote:
Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .

I have that happen to my topics and unfortunately it has even come to the point that some people don't read the OP at all and just want to be the first to reply.
On January 12 2011 01:05 kuresuti wrote:
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!

Don't we have the Void ray thingie (even though it has been removed)?
On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:
what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :|

#edit -
Show nested quote +
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
rofl or better "omglol"

I read about every page and comment if it's newly made unless it's a LR thread.

On January 12 2011 01:20 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.


I think this more or less goes towards the "do we need a section where only certain people are allowed to write" - so that everybody "knew" that reading these posts would be worth his time.

Personally, I don't mind reading senventeen 8.5 x 11 pages, if every last post is well written. Sadly, that's mostly not the case.

I agree so many people reply and do not edit their posts at all or just skip the huge posts that they'll just say TL;DR and then miss the point those people are making.

On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.

Haha yea I am eagerly waiting when the strategy section is becoming more.... fresh? Without saying anything harsh about the people posting in them.
On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.

Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.


Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place

Frankly I think it's the general section
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 11 2011 16:30 GMT
#39
Lol, I love how almost everyone is trying to seem like they don't do it now. Everybody is editing their posts and adding in content instead of just making a new post. Yes, that is funny to me since you don't see this happen a lot when people post.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
January 11 2011 16:31 GMT
#40
lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo.
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