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On October 28 2010 22:23 Nu11 wrote: If you cut off idrAs macro you cut off his life line. He can not beat you in a micro game if he keeps trying to macro. He just ran around like a chicken with his head cut off. Hydras not in the right place, queens still sitting around the hatchery instead of upfront infusing and dropping tumors, failure to produce an in base hatchery for additional larva instead of making more queens.
I'm raging over some of the retarded things being said in this thread, but this I actually agree with. Game one could have gone much better with a little micro.
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On October 28 2010 22:25 Shakes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:15 Kachna wrote:On October 28 2010 22:13 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote: Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player? I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world. Whats the point of this if better player doesnt win then ? Entertaining the viewers? Do you watch any sport at all? The best player/team doesn't always win, that's what makes it exciting, if it was perfectly predictable why watch?
This is somehow stating that idrA was the favorite to win against Zenio. Which must have just been a poll on TL. Your not in oGs because your trash.
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i'm just happy, hopetorture didn't lost to a 6 pool
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On October 28 2010 22:25 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:19 Kraznaya wrote:On October 28 2010 22:16 Sniffy wrote:On October 28 2010 22:15 noD wrote:On October 28 2010 22:14 Surykatek wrote: Anyone happy that Idra lost or i am alone? It was so funny when that orange-haired kor showed his happiness after beating KingOfBm. I am, idra is good, but not korea-good ... And yet he made the RO16 beating Koreans to get there. What exactly is korea-good to you? Someone who can actually win Korean tournaments lol #2 idra never made the OSL/MSL he never even won the courage tournament and got his license for winning some estro only tourney afair and now despite being one of the first sc2 pro gamers he still doesnt has what it takes to win. he made a lot of money beating all the non-koreans scrubs but someone has to tell me: if you play against people with the same understanding of the game, the same amount of practise and the same micro/macro, how are you supposed to win a tournament? at some point or another creativity, preparation...... are the key. his 300 APM wont help him there so i dont expect him to win any major SC2 tourney ever. just imagine how all the starcraft 1 a teamers will tear up the competition. jaedong 450 APM gogo
as if idra maintained 300 apm lolz
there seems to be a distinct gap in opinion about idra. he isn't nearly as bad as some of you make him out to be, nor is he the god that the other half worship. he's a pretty good player who hasn't performed well in foreign tournaments.
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On October 28 2010 22:27 Mascherano wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:24 Fa1nT wrote:On October 28 2010 22:21 Kraznaya wrote:On October 28 2010 22:14 Surykatek wrote: Anyone happy that Idra lost or i am alone? It was so funny when that orange-haired kor showed his happiness after beating KingOfBm. I'm ecstatic that Idra lost Idra has no creativity or flair in his play, and he's shown repeatedly that he's a classless twit, most recently in the WeRRa thread Creativity and Flare = TLO See how that works? IdrA wins because he is the best at a strait up game. So when you got to win 12-18 rounds to make champion, how many chances do the koreans got to show idra a build he has never seen? Should IdrA 6pool, with a 50% chance of success, or play normal, and have a 75% chance to win? If Artosis has played vs that build many times on ladder then so has Idra. I don't understand how you can say he has never seen it lol. No excuses please
No disrespect to Artosis, but he is a little prone to exaggeration. Nearly every match he claims to have played such and such player or strategy a lot of times on the ladder, which just doesn't seem possible given he's got 450 ladder games to his name.
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That 6-pool by Leenock was the most infuriating one I think i've ever seen.
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On October 28 2010 22:30 nanaoei wrote: i'm just happy, hopetorture didn't lost to a 6 pool
Yeah, that'll be really sad.
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I mean when are people gonna realize that Idra actually dont have any talent? He never ever performs, when the gloves are off. He lost to Nony that hadnt played more than a couple of weeks prior to their meet in the TSL. This is after spending TWO years on a korean pro team. He then switches over to SC2 beta and plays more than anyone up to today, in the first GSL he got outplayed by a random mid-low lever korean pro and this time he got raped by Zenio. Still Artosis and the other fanboys keep claiming that he is the "best" player in the world. Where do they get these crazy ideas from, also notable is that he lost to MorroW who had very little practice going in to the ESL. Bottom line Idra is not very smart and creative and no matter how much he practices it cant make up for his lack in these areas.......
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It's unfortunate but at this level of competition, no result should be a surprise. Good luck at the next GSL season and nice try Greg.
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Amazing how fast people are turning on Idra, it's as if he owes it to you personally to win GSL
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On October 28 2010 22:25 Shakes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:15 Kachna wrote:On October 28 2010 22:13 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote: Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player? I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world. Whats the point of this if better player doesnt win then ? Entertaining the viewers? Do you watch any sport at all? The best player/team doesn't always win, that's what makes it exciting, if it was perfectly predictable why watch? 1vs1 is different then any other team sport like ice hockey or football. Anyway i think better player almost always win in starcraft.
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On October 28 2010 22:28 dcemuser wrote: The fact is that you'll never be able to rate players in a "top 10" or some other arbitrary bullshit number unless they place best of 15s with each other on multiple occasions. You can't determine who is actually the better player in just 3 or 5 games, and certainly not for all time.
There should be something like the world golf rankings, where players are ranked solely on performances over a given time period (2 years for golf), with newer and more prestigious events having more weight.
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On October 28 2010 22:30 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:25 Shakes wrote:On October 28 2010 22:15 Kachna wrote:On October 28 2010 22:13 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote: Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player? I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world. Whats the point of this if better player doesnt win then ? Entertaining the viewers? Do you watch any sport at all? The best player/team doesn't always win, that's what makes it exciting, if it was perfectly predictable why watch? This is somehow stating that idrA was the favorite to win against Zenio. Which must have just been a poll on TL. Your not in oGs because your trash.
I said the better player doesn't always win, I didn't say who the better player was or whether the better player won in this case.
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On October 28 2010 22:30 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:09 Durp wrote:On October 28 2010 22:03 ryanAnger wrote: Yeah... I think Idra needs to join TL, even though I don't know if they would take him. He really needs to get into a house and practice with people who are actually good at the game, as opposed to scrubs on the Ladder. I highly doubt anyone IdrA runs into on the korean ladder is a scrub. Idra had said when he played with cj entus that it was really difficult on a korean pro team to practice in house because he can't communicate strats/ideas with his teamates. Also I believe he joined an NA clan (eg) to try to win the GSL for an american team, opening up more doors for the foreign scene. well wtf he's been in korea for 3 yrs now, maybe start learning the language?... Haha this been bugging me forever. Why the fuck dont Artosis and Tasteless speak Korean theyve been there for years. Well Idra been playing 24/7 but thats still no excuse. In some Interview he said he can order food and thats all rofl. I really dont get this. Maybe its an American attitude ... Who knows. If it were me I wouldve learn the english by now.
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On October 28 2010 22:23 Nu11 wrote: Grack really needs a different team. No offense to EG, they are a great bunch of guys but none of them are anywhere near the level IdrA is. He needs GSL level practice partners and especially a z partner. Zenio's play was crafted, well executed, and incredibly well timed to push the stake directly into the heart of what is IdrA.
This was not some on the spot crafted build order. This was put together over many many hours with top SC2 players making the ultimate macro shut down for this map.
If you cut off idrAs macro you cut off his life line. He can not beat you in a micro game if he keeps trying to macro. He just ran around like a chicken with his head cut off. Hydras not in the right place, queens still sitting around the hatchery instead of upfront infusing and dropping tumors, failure to produce an in base hatchery for additional larva instead of making more queens.
He was stumped. Not because IdrA is a bad player, IdrA is fantastic and I laugh at anyone on TL saying he's not one of the top Zergs.
The issue here is Zenio lives and plays in a professional environment where they can trade ideas, practice new build orders at high levels, and experiment while developing rock solid macro.
IdrA's macro was his advantage, it's slowly going away. He needs a professional team or he's just going to be left in the dust. That is fact. He has not progressed much as a player at all since the start of the GSL. Artosis's build is solid, but it was obviously not going to work agaisnt the production harass.
Just my two cents. If IdrA doesn't jump ship soon he's going to be just another North American zerg who can't compete in the GSL. NOT because he isn't good enough, because he doesn't have the growth environment other zergs do.
So many zerg players have impressed me in the GSL. It has _never_ been idrA to do so.
I agree, he probably has a hard time practicing, his only zvz practice partners are probably artosis and maybe fruitdealer.
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Idra should just move back to the US, he has a good chance there.
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On October 28 2010 22:32 Almtom wrote: I mean when are people gonna realize that Idra actually dont have any talent? He never ever performs, when the gloves are off. He lost to Nony that hadnt played more than a couple of weeks prior to their meet in the TSL. This is after spending TWO years on a korean pro team. He then switches over to SC2 beta and plays more than anyone up to today, in the first GSL he got outplayed by a random mid-low lever korean pro and this time he got raped by Zenio. Still Artosis and the other fanboys keep claiming that he is the "best" player in the world. Where do they get these crazy ideas from, also notable is that he lost to MorroW who had very little practice going in to the ESL. Bottom line Idra is not very smart and creative and no matter how much he practices it cant make up for his lack in these areas.......
Idra has a huge presence in foreigner tourneys (MLG KoB etc) by virtue of grinding out a lot more practice than most foreigners
It doesn't change the fact that he will forever be lost in Korea though
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Ohh an YAY Nada gogo, there is a guy with some true tallent!
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On October 28 2010 22:33 Xax wrote: Idra should just move back to the US, he has a good chance there. Actually he should move to Germany and dominate ESL
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On October 28 2010 22:32 Almtom wrote: I mean when are people gonna realize that Idra actually dont have any talent? He never ever performs, when the gloves are off. He lost to Nony that hadnt played more than a couple of weeks prior to their meet in the TSL. This is after spending TWO years on a korean pro team. He then switches over to SC2 beta and plays more than anyone up to today, in the first GSL he got outplayed by a random mid-low lever korean pro and this time he got raped by Zenio. Still Artosis and the other fanboys keep claiming that he is the "best" player in the world. Where do they get these crazy ideas from, also notable is that he lost to MorroW who had very little practice going in to the ESL. Bottom line Idra is not very smart and creative and no matter how much he practices it cant make up for his lack in these areas....... Troll-ol-ol-ol.... So someone doesn't have any talent if they make it to RO16 GSL2???? Hmmm. Time for some warnings from the Mods imho.
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