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On June 07 2021 03:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 03:52 tigera6 wrote:On June 07 2021 03:49 Charoisaur wrote:Maybe he'll throw the honorable macro game out of the window now and tries something new..... won't happen anyway What I dont understand is, ZvZ in EU is full of trickery and all-in, you can barely see a late game nowadays. But ZvT and ZvP are pretty much standard macro game all the time unless its Bly. Like that game on Beckett, I dont mind if Roach Warren or some weird build is used, but that never happened. Does a ravager push ever work against banshees? It would have to be something quite strange like a baneling bust or something to even have a chance to work. You can Queen walk in Beckett, I remember seeing the creep spread was all the way to Clem 3rd before he started to clean it up.
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On June 07 2021 03:53 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 03:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 07 2021 03:50 GumBa wrote: I think Clem is the 2nd best terran on the planet right now. TY is going into the military and Innovation has been off his game for a while now, Byun's wrists are constantly a problem. Not a hot take at all. Clem and Maru are the two best Terrans in the world right now. Bunny, Cure and Dream are in the upper echelons as well but a pretty solid tier below them in my opinion. You really went and answered seriously to GumBa, come on dude
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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That's right, lurkers are the way
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Meanwhile this game is looking quite good for Reynor, so we'll get to see if he has something different on the very macro 2000 atmospheres. I just hope it's not the same 90+ worker stuff.
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Maru would've won this game.
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On June 07 2021 04:00 DBooN wrote: Maru would've won this game. I agree. I think he would have approached the map very differently from the start. A lot more siege tanks, faster 4th, faster transition into lategame with ghost, tank, pf.
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On June 07 2021 04:00 DBooN wrote: Maru would've won this game.
Maru could have also thrown a game away earlier in the series with a super risky gamble that he didn't need to try.
Roll the dice.
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On June 07 2021 04:02 Vindicare605 wrote:Maru could have also thrown a game away earlier in the series with a super risky gamble that he didn't need to try. Roll the dice. or won a game with a 2 rax
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Pretty surprising outcome. Clem's TvZ is 80% on Oxide, while Reynor's ZvT is sub-50%.
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On June 07 2021 04:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 04:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 07 2021 04:00 DBooN wrote: Maru would've won this game. Maru could have also thrown a game away earlier in the series with a super risky gamble that he didn't need to try. Roll the dice. or won a game with a 2 rax
On a Roll of 11 or 12 Maru wins with a 2 rax.
On a roll of 2 or 3 Maru gets blind countered with a pool first because his opponent expected it.
Roll the dice.
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On June 07 2021 04:04 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 04:02 Charoisaur wrote:On June 07 2021 04:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 07 2021 04:00 DBooN wrote: Maru would've won this game. Maru could have also thrown a game away earlier in the series with a super risky gamble that he didn't need to try. Roll the dice. or won a game with a 2 rax On a Roll of 11 or 12 Maru wins with a 2 rax. On a roll of 2 or 3 Maru gets blind countered with a pool first because his opponent expected it. Roll the dice. Maru doesn't auto-lose if he faces pool first with proxy rax though
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Like I just don't get this. Reynor is just so passive and overly defensive against Hellion/Banshee. No map presence at all. If this was a different Terran, Reynor would be on the map right now.
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On June 07 2021 04:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 04:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 07 2021 04:02 Charoisaur wrote:On June 07 2021 04:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 07 2021 04:00 DBooN wrote: Maru would've won this game. Maru could have also thrown a game away earlier in the series with a super risky gamble that he didn't need to try. Roll the dice. or won a game with a 2 rax On a Roll of 11 or 12 Maru wins with a 2 rax. On a roll of 2 or 3 Maru gets blind countered with a pool first because his opponent expected it. Roll the dice. Maru doesn't auto-lose if he faces pool first with proxy rax though
correct, notice I didn't say he loses. I just said he gets blind countered.
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Clem is never out of his comfort zone against Reynor.
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Yup. Clem just has complete control of this game and Reynor just let him have it. Never even tried to challenge him on the map. That's so not typical for how Reynor plays TvZ.
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On June 07 2021 03:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 03:47 Charoisaur wrote:On June 07 2021 03:45 Andi_Goldberger wrote: Imagine if clems TvP was as beastlike as his TvZ, lets hope he gets on that level in TvP aswell. insane player Well, on EU he pretty much only has Showtime to get adequate practice and practicing vs him isn't really great preparation for facing Zest/Trap etc His record against Zest isn't bad actually. But yeah it's certainly not on the level of his TvZ. he also got 2-0d by gungfubanda in this tourney, thats why I used his TvP not his TvT - his chances of getting owned by a semipro terran arent that big lol
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It really feels like eu zergs a somewhat weak on the prep side in tvz, they all seem to think the best way is always go macro and just do it with that. I know we like to mock rogue for stuff but he seems to be way better at that.
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Phew, Clément Desplanches is phenomenal. Making France proud ! Hope he makes his breakthrough (as far as global tourneys go, ofc he's already proved that he's good) once and for all in the upcoming season finals, I feel he enters that as a huge contender.
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The WB's final was better. I hope reynor can offer something new the next time they meet.
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On June 07 2021 04:13 Vindicare605 wrote: Yup. Clem just has complete control of this game and Reynor just let him have it. Never even tried to challenge him on the map. That's so not typical for how Reynor plays TvZ.
It's because Clem is twice as aggressive and in your face as any other terran. Reynor was constantly trying to do run-bys and drops, but he couldn't commit too many or he would just lose a base, and Clem was on point with stopping run-bys for the most part.
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