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On October 27 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:38 Parrek wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO. I like ZvZ a lot, although too much of it also sucks. It's a real skill match up where players often play the similar strategies and the better players with superior mechanics win.
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On October 27 2019 17:38 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS
roach/ravager ain't something to cheer for. And after the first semi you're kinda ready for something different, only to realize this is all you gonna see. Only to be spiced up by some good ol' fashioned cheese
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On October 27 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:38 Parrek wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO.
ZvZ is a great matchup, definitely the best mirror(many still say TvT to say the truth) and it is miles ahead ZvP right now.
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On October 27 2019 17:43 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:38 Parrek wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. At least these days ZvZ is actually a great matchup. It was terrible in WoL and HotS That's a bit subjective. ZvZ is a lot better than it used to be, but it still sucks. Only match up worse to watch is PvP IMO. ZvZ is a great matchup, definitely the best mirror(many still say TvT to say the truth) and it is miles ahead ZvP right now.
It's such a shame that PvZ has fallen so far (I blame the maps personally) last year it was improving so much it was almost as good as TvZ was.
It does suck a lot these days though, although PvP and ZvZ are still worse IMO.
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TvT is the best mirror by far.
/Thread.
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On October 27 2019 17:18 fgonzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need? Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category.
is this a troll attempt? They are most certainly not. Artosis understanding of current meta is always at least a few months old, at best. Tasteless commentary usually consists of at least half the time repeating and agreeing what Artosis says and filling the rest with extremely vague knowledge which could be applied basically to any expansion and you wouldn't know the difference
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On October 27 2019 17:37 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:18 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need? Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category. I love those two in the casual stages. Artosis is great with everyone, but Tasteless just annoys me with how he "hypes" things. Too many times where a player does something on the level an unmicroed drop in the back and an attack at the front and Tasteless just screams "HE HAS SUCH GOOD MULTITASKING! LITERALLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD" Still like him more than when Nate goes into his machine gun mode(10000 words per minute) or similar thing happens to Maynarde(sorry if i butchered your name).
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On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon.
Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
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On October 27 2019 17:45 F1rstAssau1t wrote: TvT is the best mirror by far.
/Thread.
I'm a major TvT fanboy, but man I cannot wait long enough for that Interference Matrix nerf to go through. That spell has had a MAJOR negative impact on the match up.
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Can trap stop a 100% ratio of zergs advancing?
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On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer
The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance.
He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper.
No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
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On October 27 2019 17:46 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:37 Parrek wrote:On October 27 2019 17:18 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need? Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category. I love those two in the casual stages. Artosis is great with everyone, but Tasteless just annoys me with how he "hypes" things. Too many times where a player does something on the level an unmicroed drop in the back and an attack at the front and Tasteless just screams "HE HAS SUCH GOOD MULTITASKING! LITERALLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD" Still like him more than when Nate goes into his machine gun mode(10000 words per minute) or similar thing happens to Maynarde(sorry if i butchered your name).
Nate in machine gun mode is just funny to me. I don't really take it that seriously. Tasteless doesn't feel like that. He just tries to make everything "The greatest thing!" and "The best Starcraft we've EVER SEEN"
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On October 27 2019 17:46 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:18 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:16 Argonauta wrote: Can we lift Rotti as best SC2 caster? Passion+knowledge what else do you need? Eh I still think Tasteless and Artosis are the best casters in every category. is this a troll attempt? They are most certainly not. Artosis understanding of current meta is always at least a few months old, at best. Tasteless commentary usually consists of at least half the time repeating and agreeing what Artosis says and filling the rest with extremely vague knowledge which could be applied basically to any expansion and you wouldn't know the difference i guess it depends on what you're looking for in a commentator. if you're so deeply into the game you can tell if a caster is up on the current meta or a bit behind, you probably don't really have much to gain from analytical commentary, do you? i never really got that view that that's what a person who already knows a shitload about the game would want to hear. i loved super analytical commentary when i was getting into sc2, cause it helped me understand the game and apply some of the knowledge to my own games. as i got better, i started realising the analytical commentators are basically just saying things i was already thinking. so then i'd rather have an entertaining backdrop to a game i can analyse myself. now i haven't played sc2 in several years and got back into watching a few months ago and i kinda want a mix, i wanna find out what's going on but i also wanna be entertained. Tastosis are basically perfect for that.
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On October 27 2019 17:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance. He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper. No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran. so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
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I just wonder if they will take a look at their upcoming balance changes again after blizzcon (and a likely 4 zerg semi)
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On October 27 2019 17:53 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance. He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper. No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran. so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense...
That's not what I said.
Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating.
But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid.
No one is arguing that Serral isn't good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance.
When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately.
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On October 27 2019 17:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance. He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper. No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
its unfortunate that his achievements has been marred by the meta favoring zerg. Would be interesting to see how he performs when the meta changes.
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Come on Elazer dont dissapoint, everyone wants more Zerg players in the finals :D
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On October 27 2019 17:56 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:53 Schelim wrote:On October 27 2019 17:49 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance. He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper. No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran. so Serral wins in ZvZ because Zerg is OP? makes perfect sense... That's not what I said. Serral has been the best Zerg in the game for a while. That's not what I'm debating. But when Zerg is clearly the more advantaged race, it makes his case as the "best player" in the game much less solid. No one is arguing that Serral is good at ZvZ, but when he's the foreign hope it doesn't make a lot of sense to dub him "better than the Koreans" when he's getting such a big boost by the game balance. When he beat Trap last year at IPL with Overlord drops, that was WAY different than what he's been cruising on lately. i do kinda get your point. but to be fair, Serral also consistently beats the top Korean Zergs in ZvZ, so wouldn't you say "better than the Koreans" is something that can still be argued for?
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On October 27 2019 17:49 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2019 17:47 fgonzo wrote:On October 27 2019 17:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 27 2019 17:36 Noonius wrote: I for one can't wait for all zerg semis I'm eagerly awaiting the reactions, last time I saw a major tournament this Zerg stacked was the IPL where the fans boo'd. I'm expecting something similar for this Blizzcon. Nobody is gonna boo because one of those Zergs is Serral, the so called Korean killer The novelty has gone away at this point, and even the more casual fans have started to come around that his success has been manufactured by the game balance. He was a great player before the balance started favoring him. Once it did? It feels cheaper. No one is gonna feel good that Serral wins a Blizzcon on just his ZvZ. It already is a massive asterisk that he won his last one without playing vs a Terran.
Serral is the only Zerg that has been dominating no matter the state of balace. Him winning this blizzcon would just cement this fact. He did not even play a ZvZ in this tournament yet and you are already saying he won only because of his ZvZ. Also, how the fuck is not meeting a Terran because they all dropped out before he could meet them an asterik ?
If Serral wins this blizzcon he is the goat for everyone bar a few bitter individuals on TL basing their identity of the superiority of a country they probably never even been to for longer than a week (if at all).
But I am sure you would find asteriks to Serrals success even if he wins the next 8 blizzcons in a row; So stay delusionall life is easier this way anyway !
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