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On October 25 2019 18:08 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 18:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:57 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:54 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:52 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:49 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:47 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:45 Poopi wrote:On October 25 2019 17:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 25 2019 17:31 Morbidius wrote: [quote] Jeez i wonder why his shape was bad, i could not possibly imagine what clicked for Serral to become strong again just in time for Blizzcon. You are severely insulting your own intelligence here. BAD shape? He still collected a ro8 at IEM(won by a Zerg, Serral's results must be for sure tied to how strong his race is, right?) and a final at WESG. Serral even lost WCS tournaments twice against Reynor, a Zerg, in the finals... Serral was playing subpar for his own standards, but he still collected incredibly good results; compare him with Rogue: when he was out of shape earlier this year he looked C tier and was repeatedly eliminated in the first stage of the tournaments he entered. Serral won GSL vs the World in 2019 in the patch before the current one. Stop being so deluded, please, and start recognizing Serral is top tier regardless of balance. He is but it wouldn't have been a 6-0 in a better balanced game. you could make a case with g1 of vs stats, but g2,g3 its on stats. same with time. serral played better, end of story. grow up when stats is swept by rogue....."it's on stats" when stats is swept by maru...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by dark...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by serral..."it's on stats" at what point do you admit when the pinnacle of Protoss is regularly decimated that it's not "on stats" ? did we watch same games? it wasnt like serral was playing sh nydus every game. stats made mistakes, end of story. also im not saying pvz is fine, its not, but in these particular games, its on stats. stats had better engagements and youre ignoring all the other series i listed while losing probes here and there making scouting mistakes making other mistakes its not 0:1 case so stop arguing that it is ignored because not really patient enough to argue about other series, i watched last game of maru vs stats and stats make a gamble that didn't pay off plus mistakes and he lost. So you didnt even watch the entire series and youre confident that stats is the one who is making mistakes all night long? It's telling that THE MACRO PROTOSS....the gold standard of protoss is resorting to cheese, all in, and cannon rushes on the brink of elimination. welcome to starcraft in 2019 where if you play macro every game like eg inno did you can be blind countered. Serral plays macro everygame just like Inno and he's doing fine.
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On October 25 2019 18:02 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 17:57 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:53 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2019 17:49 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:47 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:45 Poopi wrote:On October 25 2019 17:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 25 2019 17:31 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2019 17:29 Xain0n wrote:On October 25 2019 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:[quote] Did he won IEM before the patch? Why is his winter/spring so weak compared to the later stage after some patching of the Blizzcon patch then? [quote] Maru v Rogue incoming, shitty teamkill result expected. Are you for real? Serral wasn't in his best shape in early 2019, and wasn't strong enough to win tournaments against top koreans in early 2018. Jeez i wonder why his shape was bad, i could not possibly imagine what clicked for Serral to become strong again just in time for Blizzcon. You are severely insulting your own intelligence here. BAD shape? He still collected a ro8 at IEM(won by a Zerg, Serral's results must be for sure tied to how strong his race is, right?) and a final at WESG. Serral even lost WCS tournaments twice against Reynor, a Zerg, in the finals... Serral was playing subpar for his own standards, but he still collected incredibly good results; compare him with Rogue: when he was out of shape earlier this year he looked C tier and was repeatedly eliminated in the first stage of the tournaments he entered. Serral won GSL vs the World in 2019 in the patch before the current one. Stop being so deluded, please, and start recognizing Serral is top tier regardless of balance. He is but it wouldn't have been a 6-0 in a better balanced game. you could make a case with g1 of vs stats, but g2,g3 its on stats. same with time. serral played better, end of story. grow up when stats is swept by rogue....."it's on stats" when stats is swept by maru...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by dark...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by serral..."it's on stats" at what point do you admit when the pinnacle of Protoss is regularly decimated that it's not "on stats" ? Why is the ''pinnacle of Protoss'' barely at Blizzcon and far behind 3 other Protoss players? I'm not defending Broodlord/infestor but Stats even lost a final to soO this year, he has been very shaky, even when Hurricane and Parting were tearing up GSL. what are you even talking about? parting and hurricane do not even sniff stats jockstrap Stats IS the pinnacle of protoss. The worst you can call him is the 3rd best, barely behind classic and trap but classic is not as well rounded, while trap cannot win a trophy. If you think stats is far behind 3 other protoss players you are delusional. He is also the best PvZer in the world so I dont know why youre knocking him. If stats cant do it, nobody can. He is the best ''standard'' PvZer in the world but as i said, he has looked shaky this year. Demolishing his group at IEM only to lose to an out of shape soO in the grand finals, demolishing Serral at HSC and then playing like he was drunk the following day. He played at Serral's level everytime they faced so far, but this time he just didn't.
He is the best PvZer in the world bar none
soO did not only beat stats. soO crushed protoss legends en route to winning the IEM so you cant chalk that up to stats being shaky. in fact stats is the one who put up the best fight.
HSC is a meme tournament and st ats probably was drunk the next day.
stats beat serral and solar at asus tournament
you can criticize him all you want but the fact of the matter is that he is by far the best pvzer in the world and he is the only protoss player who can win a trophy over the last 2 years, aside from classic
if stats, the protoss standard, is getting dumpstered then there is a problem with the race
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United States32536 Posts
Wow, that was a disastrous Great Leap Forward by Maru's BCs
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BCs just like Carriers are kinda trash against marines when these have much superior upgrades. This is turning to be a very nice game!
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On October 25 2019 18:08 JoeCool wrote: Looks like we might get the long awaited MvS after all...
Hope never dies entirely, uh?
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United States32536 Posts
On October 25 2019 18:14 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 18:08 JoeCool wrote: Looks like we might get the long awaited MvS after all... Hope never dies entirely, uh?
yeah I'm also hoping for Marvel vs Star Wars video game :[
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Man if only TIME had more BCs, he has 3-3 air ...
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United States32536 Posts
TIME has a massive gas bank + more resources left on his side of the map.
A really stupid/funny/great comeback isn't out of the picture
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On October 25 2019 18:18 Waxangel wrote: TIME has a massive gas bank + more resources left on his side of the map.
A really stupid/funny/great comeback isn't out of the picture Nah, he was outmacroed in the end. Or at least he built the wrong army.
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Maru 3-0 would be beautiful.
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On October 25 2019 17:37 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 17:34 swarminfestor wrote: I think Maru purposely evade Serral in the bracket, probably after he got the advice from the coach or Rogue. if he smokes time 3:0 then yes, be it close then no
I guess it is 4-1 unless Maru proceeds with proxy rax build.
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United States32536 Posts
On October 25 2019 18:20 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 18:18 Waxangel wrote: TIME has a massive gas bank + more resources left on his side of the map.
A really stupid/funny/great comeback isn't out of the picture Nah, he was outmacroed in the end. Or at least he built the wrong army.
didn't say it was likely
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Australia18228 Posts
Maru's going to 6-0 after perfectly dodging Serral lol
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France12483 Posts
Gogo Maru!! The plan seemed to work out :o
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On October 25 2019 18:21 Inflicted wrote: Maru's going to 6-0 after perfectly dodging Serral lol the similarity to the RO16 GSL is uncanny
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On October 25 2019 18:10 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 18:08 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 18:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:57 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:54 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:52 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:49 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:47 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:45 Poopi wrote:On October 25 2019 17:44 Xain0n wrote: [quote]
You are severely insulting your own intelligence here. BAD shape? He still collected a ro8 at IEM(won by a Zerg, Serral's results must be for sure tied to how strong his race is, right?) and a final at WESG. Serral even lost WCS tournaments twice against Reynor, a Zerg, in the finals...
Serral was playing subpar for his own standards, but he still collected incredibly good results; compare him with Rogue: when he was out of shape earlier this year he looked C tier and was repeatedly eliminated in the first stage of the tournaments he entered.
Serral won GSL vs the World in 2019 in the patch before the current one. Stop being so deluded, please, and start recognizing Serral is top tier regardless of balance. He is but it wouldn't have been a 6-0 in a better balanced game. you could make a case with g1 of vs stats, but g2,g3 its on stats. same with time. serral played better, end of story. grow up when stats is swept by rogue....."it's on stats" when stats is swept by maru...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by dark...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by serral..."it's on stats" at what point do you admit when the pinnacle of Protoss is regularly decimated that it's not "on stats" ? did we watch same games? it wasnt like serral was playing sh nydus every game. stats made mistakes, end of story. also im not saying pvz is fine, its not, but in these particular games, its on stats. stats had better engagements and youre ignoring all the other series i listed while losing probes here and there making scouting mistakes making other mistakes its not 0:1 case so stop arguing that it is ignored because not really patient enough to argue about other series, i watched last game of maru vs stats and stats make a gamble that didn't pay off plus mistakes and he lost. So you didnt even watch the entire series and youre confident that stats is the one who is making mistakes all night long? It's telling that THE MACRO PROTOSS....the gold standard of protoss is resorting to cheese, all in, and cannon rushes on the brink of elimination. welcome to starcraft in 2019 where if you play macro every game like eg inno did you can be blind countered. Serral plays macro everygame just like Inno and he's doing fine. Serral plays zerg of course he can do the same thing every game and win
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Nice small ambush by TIME there.
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France12483 Posts
Nice adaptation with the ebays haha
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On October 25 2019 18:08 NotSoHappy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 18:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:57 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:54 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:52 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:49 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 17:47 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:45 Poopi wrote:On October 25 2019 17:44 Xain0n wrote:On October 25 2019 17:31 Morbidius wrote: [quote] Jeez i wonder why his shape was bad, i could not possibly imagine what clicked for Serral to become strong again just in time for Blizzcon. You are severely insulting your own intelligence here. BAD shape? He still collected a ro8 at IEM(won by a Zerg, Serral's results must be for sure tied to how strong his race is, right?) and a final at WESG. Serral even lost WCS tournaments twice against Reynor, a Zerg, in the finals... Serral was playing subpar for his own standards, but he still collected incredibly good results; compare him with Rogue: when he was out of shape earlier this year he looked C tier and was repeatedly eliminated in the first stage of the tournaments he entered. Serral won GSL vs the World in 2019 in the patch before the current one. Stop being so deluded, please, and start recognizing Serral is top tier regardless of balance. He is but it wouldn't have been a 6-0 in a better balanced game. you could make a case with g1 of vs stats, but g2,g3 its on stats. same with time. serral played better, end of story. grow up when stats is swept by rogue....."it's on stats" when stats is swept by maru...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by dark...."it's on stats" when stats is swept by serral..."it's on stats" at what point do you admit when the pinnacle of Protoss is regularly decimated that it's not "on stats" ? did we watch same games? it wasnt like serral was playing sh nydus every game. stats made mistakes, end of story. also im not saying pvz is fine, its not, but in these particular games, its on stats. stats had better engagements and youre ignoring all the other series i listed while losing probes here and there making scouting mistakes making other mistakes its not 0:1 case so stop arguing that it is ignored because not really patient enough to argue about other series, i watched last game of maru vs stats and stats make a gamble that didn't pay off plus mistakes and he lost. So you didnt even watch the entire series and youre confident that stats is the one who is making mistakes all night long? It's telling that THE MACRO PROTOSS....the gold standard of protoss is resorting to cheese, all in, and cannon rushes on the brink of elimination. welcome to starcraft in 2019 where if you play macro every game like eg inno did you can be blind countered.
except stats is cheesing and going for timings as well, and still losing
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On October 25 2019 18:20 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 17:37 NotSoHappy wrote:On October 25 2019 17:34 swarminfestor wrote: I think Maru purposely evade Serral in the bracket, probably after he got the advice from the coach or Rogue. if he smokes time 3:0 then yes, be it close then no I guess it is 4-1 unless Maru proceeds with proxy rax build.
seems like it, pretty funny tbh must have something special prepared for serral later in the tournament
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