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Zaros
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KobraKay
Portugal4014 Posts
On July 23 2018 00:48 Aristodemus wrote: Great drive from Lewis today to come from 14th to win, he clean drove away from Bottas after that first lap so the team orders had zero impact on the result. That is a strong statement when as soon as Bottas tried to pass he was clearly order to stand down. As soon as that order is given, you don't follow the car in front of you (one because that is the order, second because these cars are awful at that and he would be taking unnecessary risks for no benefit as he was not allowed to overtake). Obviously Hamilton could have defended and was in the better position but a claim such as yours is, IMHO, a strech. Regarding the win, all you Hamilton fans can relax. They said he was naughty and he promised to never repeat such a thing and the decision was to let him go ;-) Regardless of how I feel about Hamilton or this race, taking his win away because of that would have been ridiculous. I've seen some ridiculous decisions this year but this would be too much so I'm glad someone had the decency to use their brain and let the result stand. | ||
Aristodemus
England1971 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4014 Posts
On July 24 2018 04:41 Aristodemus wrote: He wasn't told to hold back until after that first lap, by which point Hamilton was 1.5sec ahead I think, a gap which he increased by half a second a lap until the end. That's a big difference in pace. After Lewis got his tyres back up to temp (because they were older) he was always going to win. The moment the com is showed and the moment the com takes place are not the same. Like I said, obviously after been given such an order Botas better start letting the gap grow, at least for car management purposes regardless if there are a few laps to go or a ton, those cars should not follow closely the car in front if no gain is to be obtained in the short term, let alone ever. Again, I have no doubt that the possibility of having Bottas overtake was very slim, nevertheless, saying it had zero impact I think is not being fair (moreso considering your last comment on tyre temp). Obviously you can think otherwise, not trying to convince you or anything, just giving my view on it. Unfortunately, I think Mercedes will have an edge this weekend as well so the gap between first and second should increase provided no surprises happen again. | ||
Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
On July 24 2018 07:03 KobraKay wrote: The moment the com is showed and the moment the com takes place are not the same. Like I said, obviously after been given such an order Botas better start letting the gap grow, at least for car management purposes regardless if there are a few laps to go or a ton, those cars should not follow closely the car in front if no gain is to be obtained in the short term, let alone ever. Again, I have no doubt that the possibility of having Bottas overtake was very slim, nevertheless, saying it had zero impact I think is not being fair (moreso considering your last comment on tyre temp). Obviously you can think otherwise, not trying to convince you or anything, just giving my view on it. Unfortunately, I think Mercedes will have an edge this weekend as well so the gap between first and second should increase provided no surprises happen again. Hungary is traditionally one of Mercs weakest tracks, although Hamilton is very good around there. I expect a Red Bull victory and unless Hamilton pulls out something special then Ferrari to be ahead of Mercedes. | ||
Aristodemus
England1971 Posts
Agreed Zaros, I think Lewis will be lucky to be on the podium this weekend. Taking Monaco into account and the huge engine upgrade Ferrari have had since. If I was a betting man I would put my money on Max, he has been driving very well lately. Edit: Quote from Lewis "The cool thing was when we were back in the meeting room Toto stood there, said 'come over' and Valtteri was like 'it's fine, because by the time he gave the order he had already pulled away'. So it wasn't like he had told him whilst we were in battle," added the world championship leader. | ||
LennX
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The rumours were true regarding Marchionne health. This may slow some of Ferrari plans for 2019. | ||
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LennX
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Mercedes did lucked out on the rain. Tomorrow will be interesting as it will be dry and Ferrari are better then | ||
Pandemona
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LennX
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Verstappen radio so good, ripping into Renault. Vandoorne luck is shit. Another Renault engine kaput | ||
Deleted User 26513
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Lol, Valtteri Maldonado. | ||
LennX
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KobraKay
Portugal4014 Posts
On July 24 2018 18:36 Aristodemus wrote: The reason I said the call was made after the first lap is because both Bottas and Toto said that after the race, no reason to doubt that. We differ on whether we thought Bottas had a chance at winning after that point, let's leave it at that. Agreed Zaros, I think Lewis will be lucky to be on the podium this weekend. Taking Monaco into account and the huge engine upgrade Ferrari have had since. If I was a betting man I would put my money on Max, he has been driving very well lately. Edit: Quote from Lewis "The cool thing was when we were back in the meeting room Toto stood there, said 'come over' and Valtteri was like 'it's fine, because by the time he gave the order he had already pulled away'. So it wasn't like he had told him whilst we were in battle," added the world championship leader. Assuming those statements are not just for show (those happen a lot) then I stand corrected obviously as you were right. Again, i say once that I was not telling that an overtake would take place….but a 0% probability was not correct from what I was seeing, just that Regarding today's result I was, unfortunately, right. Although it was not the way I thought it would. I saw this as a track were engine power would not factor as much. hence the RB ability to be up there and the mercs fast cornering advantage in my mind. The free practices showed me wrong but the rain and Vettel's performance in Q3 turned things for the worse (will still watch the race later tonight). | ||
LennX
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Best quote from reddit from a RBR fan "Classic Ricciardo move there, a late, bold, and unexpected divebomb upon us" Will Gasly get promoted? Since Sainz doesn't have a good working relationship with Verstappen from their TR days. Sainz to McLaren? Oh hey Alonso, there is a slot open at RBR. But wait their engine supplier is from GP2!?!?!? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51334 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3673 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:09 Pandemona wrote: Yo if Red Bull take Alonso that be nuts, but what the hell this is so left field for me. Why Renault? In my opinion Haas will over take them next season with how well they have been doing. I hope Renault make a resurgance anyway, one of the old school great teams from the past, but wow did not expect this. Renault have had a good trajectory, every year they have improved significantly but the biggest hurdle is yet to come in breaking into the top 3 and is by no means guaranteed to happen. Ricciardo is hoping to pull a Hamilton and winning surprise championships in a couple of years but he may yet be doing an Alonso and leaving Red Bull just as they get their works deal they have been wanting (all be it with Honda) | ||
Aristodemus
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So if you decide that you want to leave RB and Merc/Ferrari don't want you then the Enstone team historically have a good record. Haas are a B team, they are not potential champions. This will really shake up the driver market now. I highly doubt RB will go for Alonso, even if he offered to drive for free, there is a very good reason none of the big teams want him. Big loser in all of this looks to be Ocon. | ||
fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3958 Posts
EDIT: lol apparently Max veto'ed Sainz from joining the team. What a dick. | ||
palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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