Here's Breshke as scum:
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On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:
I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred
What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out.
I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred
What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out.
On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:
Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake.
Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake.
On December 17 2014 06:36 Breshke wrote:
I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first.
I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first.
On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:
Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless?
Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless?
On January 07 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:
What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard.
What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard.
(I find this one interesting because I feel like it shows Breshke putting attention to things that aren't really important which gives your point some credence)
On January 08 2015 07:10 Breshke wrote:
can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions.
Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null.
can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions.
Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null.
On January 08 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:
You flipflop in this post.
How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not?
You flipflop in this post.
How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not?
On January 08 2015 09:39 Breshke wrote:
Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
On January 09 2015 05:04 Breshke wrote:
Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad
Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad
Breshke as Town:
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On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:
None its shit i know.
I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well.
Who is your biggest scum right now?
None its shit i know.
I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well.
Who is your biggest scum right now?
On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:
Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you.
This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta.
As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up.
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Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either.
Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy
Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you.
This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta.
As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up.
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On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:
I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience.
A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time.
Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners.
I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience.
A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time.
Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners.
Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either.
Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy
On January 18 2015 15:30 Breshke wrote:
So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads
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The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive.
Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads.
So GB is leaning scum for now
So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads
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On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them.
This makes you contributive.
AAAAAND I'm done catching up.
Trfel is definetely town
DP may be town
Rasputin may be town
LS may be scum
Cool TL name may be scum
jar jar may be scum
Damdred you'll have to puke green this game.
Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them.
This makes you contributive.
AAAAAND I'm done catching up.
Trfel is definetely town
DP may be town
Rasputin may be town
LS may be scum
Cool TL name may be scum
jar jar may be scum
Damdred you'll have to puke green this game.
On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote:
I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because:
(1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion.
(2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread.
Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less.
Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred.
I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because:
(1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion.
(2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread.
Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less.
Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred.
The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive.
Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads.
So GB is leaning scum for now
On January 20 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:
I assume this is the vote you mean geript
So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched.
This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed.
I assume this is the vote you mean geript
So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched.
This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed.
On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:
No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion.
Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently
No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion.
Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently
Also something I'm noting whilst going through this game is that Breshke interacts a LOT with his townreads and barely with his scumreads as town.
On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team.
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team.
On January 25 2015 17:29 Breshke wrote:
Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched.
I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down.
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This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead.
Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed.
Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it.
Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched.
I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down.
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On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for?
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for?
This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead.
Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed.
Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it.
On January 27 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching.
This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum?
It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching.
This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum?
It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town.
I also scrolled through Horn of Africa and Breshke was much the same in it though I haven't copied any posts from it. Breshke acted much the same except his posts were much shorter.
What I got out of this is that as scum, Breshke is a lot more certain on what he thinks. He calls people scum without hesitation, and his tone is also a lot harsher, calling other people useless, and in general being a lot more aggressive. As town he's more subdued, interacts a lot with his townreads and tries to figure the game out that way, but is never certain of being right. He also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure the game out through different kinds of means in Horn of Africa, wondering why he didn't get RBed, why people haven't considered certain things, etc. As mafia, his questions seem to have a clear direction in that he either forces the attention away from himself or that they give a solid opinion on himself. As town, they seem to be more searching for answers.
I still need to look through his filter again with these insights. Last time I did I thought it made him look town though.