Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking.
Am I missing something incredibly important/obvious?
Who's aqua?
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
July 20 2013 03:48 GMT
#2121
Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. Am I missing something incredibly important/obvious? Who's aqua? | ||
Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
July 20 2013 03:49 GMT
#2122
What does everyone else think about this? | ||
Alakaslam
United States16937 Posts
July 20 2013 04:00 GMT
#2123
On July 20 2013 12:48 Umasi wrote: Am I missing something incredibly important/obvious? Who's aqua? Important. Psychedelic slip. Game basically over On July 06 2013 10:46 Aquanim wrote: /obs Show nested quote + On July 06 2013 06:34 Spicydinosaur wrote: /obs no more newbie games for me (finally reached 4). this Show nested quote + On July 06 2013 10:16 Rainbows wrote: /in I promise not to troll and ragequit so town almost loses. But I will still find all the scum. It's not so hard to find all the scum when all you have to do is look in your QT ^^ (not that I would know) | ||
Alakaslam
United States16937 Posts
July 20 2013 04:01 GMT
#2124
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Alakaslam
United States16937 Posts
July 20 2013 04:02 GMT
#2125
On July 20 2013 12:49 Nightcat99 wrote: I just notice something, Hz and xzavier had no interaction what so ever from day 1. they never quoted each other, never call each other town or scum. its almost like they didn't need to check each others filter at all. What does everyone else think about this? Nice insight, good job- you are now significantly better at scum hunting than me. | ||
Superfluous
United States70 Posts
July 20 2013 04:36 GMT
#2126
Here are my thoughts, firstly we are in a really good position right now. Umasi is pretty much confirmed town to me not just because he was roleblocked and came out with it but because hz seemed to be lining up a lynch for him today. I believe Hurricane had a strong town read on him as well. We also most likely have jk, who I don't think should claim today but should probably claim tomorrow. We also have the chance if we don't lynch maf/sk today that one could kill the other during the night, especially with a decently low number of players left. I think Xzavier is far and away the best lynch today. Keep in mind he didn't even vote for gotard until he already had eight votes on him. Nightcat's observation is notable as well, especially considering I called out both Xzavier and hzflank early on and they both pushed for my lynch. I would've thought that they would mention each other somewhere. I am also unsure why he continues to push for my lynch. I understand I haven't been the most effective town player but right now it feels to me like he's grasping at strings from day one and not paying attention to what's more relevant now. I'd also like to lay out best-case and worst case scenarios. I also think it's important to talk about the math at this point to fully understand our situation. Best case scenario: We lynch maf. At night jk (assuming we have one) roleblocks sk, no night kills, jk claims we lynch sk gg. OK I changed my mind, I wrote out worst case scenario and realized I was basically spelling out how mafia/ sk could win. nvm just think of this to yourselves lol. | ||
Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
July 20 2013 04:39 GMT
#2127
What I find very interesting is that hz never pressures Xzav even though he would be an easy mislynch, and actually would have tried to get Umasi lynched over Xzav. Xzav would have been an easy target for mafia to push, but they never did. | ||
Alakaslam
United States16937 Posts
July 20 2013 05:04 GMT
#2128
On July 20 2013 12:36 Xzavier wrote: Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. if he does enough to atone for his sins my position can be changed. As far as hzflank: the biggest thing i picked up was the umasi thing. Ill check back and look more in depth at his posts about super. Helllllllooooooooooo town! Earth to town! Aqua is in obs... Only scum game I ever played obs could comment in scum chat so | ||
Umasi
United States1399 Posts
July 20 2013 05:08 GMT
#2129
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
July 20 2013 05:10 GMT
#2130
Here's his original read on Kirby: On July 14 2013 02:35 Xzavier wrote: jrkirby: claims he has a null read on stim- after doing sensible things when you have a null read, like trying to calm him down to remove emotion from his posts (because an angry poster is a bad poster), his entire take on stim can be summed up by his last post: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. But on the road to getting there he seemed to tunnel him the least of all and keep his options around on everybody, i like how he didnt just total tunnel vision him like chrom, because he helps the town far more by simply looking at others. I like that. he pressured hurricane and has spoken to half the thread, that much i like. He may be hedging as stim just said, but i think its early enough that it might not be the worst of things to do early day1, but if he keeps it up it will look might suspicious. Right now i feel like hes town still. i am happy that somebody brought up the hedging point, because before i saw that i had him pegged as one of my stronger town reads, now i can see a smart ruse that i might have totally fallen for. A stronger town read, but when Kirby comes under more pressure and becomes a serious lynch target: On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote: honestly, between jkirby and super im kinda stunned. I see them both as scummy as shit. Right now i dont even feel the need to OMGUS super because his vote on my was without a case and the only case he made wasnt even on me. No reasoning given, just a plain 180 based on town sentiment. On July 16 2013 07:03 Xzavier wrote: i remember asking people to check the Tribunal after it was just the three of them, what i mostly wanted to know was who tried to join them, nobody came out and directly said as such, but when the list of votes they controlled came out somebody knew was on the list: Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time. now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar. Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 08:19 Nightcat99 wrote: can you make a case defending why you would not vote for JrKirby at this time? Can you tell me why you think Superfluous is the better lynch target? no i cannot make a case to not vote for jrkirby because i stated that i want to make sure to have 1 person lynch, when i came back it seem super was the more likely target but since you guys disagree. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE JRKIRBY being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully. My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now ______ now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that. if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote. Xzav never mentions Nightcat before this, but as soon as pressure starts building onto Nightcat, Xzav randomly makes a case on him that he NEVER pushes at all. This part is even weirder given the whole top 3 thing, where Nightcat was apparently not even in Xzav's top 3 scumreads. But, for some reason, Xzav felt it was better for him to make a case on Nightcat as opposed to, say, Super, his top scumread. He also totally 180s on Rainbows because of "the points brought up against him", no explanation given. Rainbows was apparently in his "top 3 town" earlier, but the few things that people said about him were good enough to switch that read to "top 3 scum" (when the points were really not that convincing). Other stuff: On July 16 2013 10:00 Xzavier wrote: well shit 2 of my 3 top scumreads just died, leaving 1 alone at the top: sup super. ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay? if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it. This actually doesn't make sense at all. Apparently Super is his top scumread, so Xzav is convinced that Super is scum. Then why would you EVER tell your scumread how to get them to stop voting you? That defeats the whole purpose. On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote: However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it. I said earlier that this didn't make sense from scum because they were already bussing, but that was wrong. This is more likely just scum fishing to see if anyone would switch to Super so that they can push that instead. The rest of his filter is fluff, he does some coaching which is really easy to do as scum. And trying to get Super lynched today is just a stupid move that shows that he's not honestly thinking as town, Super is clearly a really bad lynch today to anyone trying to find scum at all. ##Vote: Xzavier | ||
Umasi
United States1399 Posts
July 20 2013 05:33 GMT
#2131
On July 20 2013 12:15 Nightcat99 wrote: Threat got so quiet without hurricane, what is every one thinking now? that post specifically. Since discussion was all but dead, he goes out of his way to try to get some going and that really wasn't necessary as scum. and as such, I'll follow your case on Xzavier. ##VOTE XZAVIER | ||
Umasi
United States1399 Posts
July 20 2013 05:36 GMT
#2132
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
July 20 2013 06:36 GMT
#2133
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
July 20 2013 14:05 GMT
#2134
Xzavier (3): Chromatically, Umasi, Alakaslam Deadline is in ~10 hours. With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch. Currently no-one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. | ||
Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
July 20 2013 16:20 GMT
#2135
i will vote until you do. ## vote Xzavier | ||
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
July 20 2013 16:23 GMT
#2136
On July 20 2013 14:04 Alakaslam wrote: I find it odd that only Umasi and I seem to have noticed Show nested quote + On July 20 2013 12:36 Xzavier wrote: Im on phone now. and reasoning for lynching aqua is his lurking. if he does enough to atone for his sins my position can be changed. As far as hzflank: the biggest thing i picked up was the umasi thing. Ill check back and look more in depth at his posts about super. Helllllllooooooooooo town! Earth to town! Aqua is in obs... Only scum game I ever played obs could comment in scum chat so Meant to say super. at work right now. ill respond to case when i get home. i was fuckong exhausted yesterday as shown by the typos (gotard where i meant to say umasi. aqua out of nowhere) Ask all the questions you like and ill get around to them after i get home in 6 hours. im also playing league with a friend tonight so ill only be around for a few hours then in between games. | ||
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
July 20 2013 16:24 GMT
#2137
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Alakaslam
United States16937 Posts
July 20 2013 16:37 GMT
#2138
On July 20 2013 15:36 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, why do YOU vote xzavier? All the mounting pressure plus wanting to lynch a /obs Now I see the latter was a mistake Still Chrom and nightcat have unaddressed reasons. Still don't like super | ||
Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
July 20 2013 17:20 GMT
#2139
I am not expecting much to change through, cause it almost seem like xzavier gave up on the defense. | ||
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
July 20 2013 17:35 GMT
#2140
On July 20 2013 14:10 Chromatically wrote: The worst part about Xzav is that his reads are literally a transcription of town sentiment. Here's his original read on Kirby: Show nested quote + On July 14 2013 02:35 Xzavier wrote: jrkirby: claims he has a null read on stim- after doing sensible things when you have a null read, like trying to calm him down to remove emotion from his posts (because an angry poster is a bad poster), his entire take on stim can be summed up by his last post: On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. But on the road to getting there he seemed to tunnel him the least of all and keep his options around on everybody, i like how he didnt just total tunnel vision him like chrom, because he helps the town far more by simply looking at others. I like that. he pressured hurricane and has spoken to half the thread, that much i like. He may be hedging as stim just said, but i think its early enough that it might not be the worst of things to do early day1, but if he keeps it up it will look might suspicious. Right now i feel like hes town still. i am happy that somebody brought up the hedging point, because before i saw that i had him pegged as one of my stronger town reads, now i can see a smart ruse that i might have totally fallen for. A stronger town read, but when Kirby comes under more pressure and becomes a serious lynch target: Show nested quote + On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote: honestly, between jkirby and super im kinda stunned. I see them both as scummy as shit. Right now i dont even feel the need to OMGUS super because his vote on my was without a case and the only case he made wasnt even on me. No reasoning given, just a plain 180 based on town sentiment. Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 07:03 Xzavier wrote: i remember asking people to check the Tribunal after it was just the three of them, what i mostly wanted to know was who tried to join them, nobody came out and directly said as such, but when the list of votes they controlled came out somebody knew was on the list: Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time. now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar. On July 15 2013 08:19 Nightcat99 wrote: can you make a case defending why you would not vote for JrKirby at this time? Can you tell me why you think Superfluous is the better lynch target? no i cannot make a case to not vote for jrkirby because i stated that i want to make sure to have 1 person lynch, when i came back it seem super was the more likely target but since you guys disagree. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE JRKIRBY being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully. My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now ______ now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that. if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote. Xzav never mentions Nightcat before this, but as soon as pressure starts building onto Nightcat, Xzav randomly makes a case on him that he NEVER pushes at all. This part is even weirder given the whole top 3 thing, where Nightcat was apparently not even in Xzav's top 3 scumreads. But, for some reason, Xzav felt it was better for him to make a case on Nightcat as opposed to, say, Super, his top scumread. He also totally 180s on Rainbows because of "the points brought up against him", no explanation given. Rainbows was apparently in his "top 3 town" earlier, but the few things that people said about him were good enough to switch that read to "top 3 scum" (when the points were really not that convincing). Other stuff: Show nested quote + On July 16 2013 10:00 Xzavier wrote: well shit 2 of my 3 top scumreads just died, leaving 1 alone at the top: sup super. ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay? if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it. This actually doesn't make sense at all. Apparently Super is his top scumread, so Xzav is convinced that Super is scum. Then why would you EVER tell your scumread how to get them to stop voting you? That defeats the whole purpose. Show nested quote + On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote: However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it. I said earlier that this didn't make sense from scum because they were already bussing, but that was wrong. This is more likely just scum fishing to see if anyone would switch to Super so that they can push that instead. The rest of his filter is fluff, he does some coaching which is really easy to do as scum. And trying to get Super lynched today is just a stupid move that shows that he's not honestly thinking as town, Super is clearly a really bad lynch today to anyone trying to find scum at all. ##Vote: Xzavier Im on lunch right now. as for nightcat i posted one of the first if not the first points against him. I honestly thing your being overly critical of the "fluff in my filter" there is more good content then you make it seem. the reaaon i wasnt on gotard until so late is obvious. i was trying to get a lurker to post. And about the hzflank pressuring people clears them of being scum, not confirmed town. they could be the sk still. allthough i believe umasi to be town still. but since it was so early day1 and his lurking since then i see that super has a pretty good chance to be the last scum/sk. And all this shit bout lynching an obs is bullshit. i hsd the most stressful days of my life the past few days that ill go over in the postgame. and iv never heard of obs post in scum qt. They use obs qt. | ||
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