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On July 19 2013 09:37 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 09:34 Superfluous wrote:On July 19 2013 09:28 Xzavier wrote:
so now we know that there is a town JK still alive, thats really good for us.
time to filter dive hurricane and hzflank.
I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this. i get what your saying with the first half, and i seriously dont think anybody to be stupid enough to fake-claim after seeing the Rolebloker die. Thats a silly play and would get lynched the next day if nobody else said anything (unless the JK hit teh SK and there was only 1 NK) i didnt follow your green text in the slightest
In other games I've played, when jailer roleblocks someone they also get to have a private conversation with them. It's like "oh you're in my jail so let's talk without anyone else knowing." For instance cop could claim under this situation without fear of being outed. It would be useful to know, but I don't think that's how it works here.
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yeah the SK cant use his KP if hes in jail, i think only the mafias KP is delivered factionally (cannot be roleblocked) but the SKs NK is given out well, the SK kills somebody, so if you put the SK in jail hes in jail and cant venture off into the night to shank a bitch.
I think thats the way it works atleast, i would still refer to BH though as it might differ from host to host
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On July 19 2013 09:41 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 09:37 Xzavier wrote:On July 19 2013 09:34 Superfluous wrote:On July 19 2013 09:28 Xzavier wrote:
so now we know that there is a town JK still alive, thats really good for us.
time to filter dive hurricane and hzflank.
I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this. i get what your saying with the first half, and i seriously dont think anybody to be stupid enough to fake-claim after seeing the Rolebloker die. Thats a silly play and would get lynched the next day if nobody else said anything (unless the JK hit teh SK and there was only 1 NK) i didnt follow your green text in the slightest In other games I've played, when jailer roleblocks someone they also get to have a private conversation with them. It's like "oh you're in my jail so let's talk without anyone else knowing." For instance cop could claim under this situation without fear of being outed. It would be useful to know, but I don't think that's how it works here.
um, thats what teh masoner is for i thought, no way they would make jailer a rolebocker+medic+masoner.. that would be silly
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I'm going to be treating Superfluous as town for two reasons now btw
A: He's been posting in a way that has struck me as town, and B: Hzflank made a case on him which lead to him almost getting lynched day 1
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(And I don't think he would do that is Super is scum.)
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On July 19 2013 09:34 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 09:28 Xzavier wrote:
so now we know that there is a town JK still alive, thats really good for us.
time to filter dive hurricane and hzflank.
I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this.
I don't understand the question. If there is a town jk, you will be able to know it exists after it flips, before then there's no way to know for sure. You're totally allowed to have whatever documents you want also
edit: ok i think i get it. here's the answer: if you are roleblocked, you receive a PM indicating you have been RBed. this is true whether you have a power that can be RBed or not.
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At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD
So Sponge takes info to the grave  but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh.
Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next?  I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will.
Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though.
I have to catch up from 102, gimme time
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On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time
assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK
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On July 19 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 03:27 Superfluous wrote:On July 19 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote:On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote:By the way, I did something stupid. Here are my reads: Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day. Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later. Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him. Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange. Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on. Umasi: town. Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is. Wish I wasn't such a fool. There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players? If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads. I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination? I am not sure if this was directed at Alaka or me, but I will answer anyway. I think it is likely that his scum reads are based on elimination, except possibly for his read on you (Super). With 9 players still in the game I do not like using process of elimination. Additionally, I am surprised that people are getting so many strong town reads. Even my strongest town reads could very well be scum at this point. On day 3, I might be able to actually confirm a town read or two, but I cannot at the moment so I am surprised that other people can. Perhaps what bothers me the most is that he lightly FoS' me during the night phase. Alakaslam has seen me play before and should know that that is completely pointless at this stage. If he actually thinks that I am scum then he should of hit me with a solid case. I like to defend solid cases against myself, as it gives me a chance to examine the person who is attacking me. I do not like it when someone calls me scummy without providing good reasons, because it makes it difficult for me to get a read on my attacker. @Alakaslam Why do you think I am scum? Why do you think Xzavier is scum?
Wahahahaha! I townread both of you but now Vigi is bamcis! XZAVIER DO I WORRY YOU
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On July 19 2013 10:05 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK
PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing
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On July 19 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:
@Xzavier
What is your read on me and why?
Pfft ruins my joke
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On July 19 2013 10:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 10:05 Nightcat99 wrote:On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing
actually if hes the sk and he got roleblocked, it would be pretty stupid to claim..... cause now the vig know who the sk is...
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On July 19 2013 08:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
So, we're about half an hour from the Night 2 end.
My reads based on the Gotard flip:
Xzavier's filter looks worst with the Gotard flip. He supports a Super lynch over a Gotard flip because: "atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare." Not the most compelling argument ever, but I guess it's plausible as town. However, everyone else went hard after Gotard at some point, and after reading all the filters, Xzav's stuck out to me. Reading through it, both of his arguments were 'Yeah, gotard looks scummy, but here's a reason why he shouldn't be lynched: _________ '
Superfluous also seems scummy to me, which seems like a strange bedfellow for Xzavier. It's easy to pick on his post activity, but he also brings very little unique analysis to the table in his posts. There's still significant unnaccounted-for content in his filter (for example: I want him to respond to my question about what he was referencing during the Roleblock-ing conversation).
Continuing the theme, my third scummiest read is Umasi (somewhat by PoE, but his Day 2 / Night 2 doesn't help). He also catches some heat from Superfluous, but his filter when you control-f 'Gotard' doesn't look great. A lot of soft defense followed by softer FoS. He also flatly resisted moving onto Gotard Day 1 (like Xzavier did) when I floated the idea of ambushing Gotard or Koshi when we had the votes to make it happen.
Now, some of these reads seem incompatible with each other. It seems to pivot on Superfluous; both Xzavier and Umasi have targeted him with strong cases. But these three are what's left when I knock out the three guys I feel are 99.9% - 100.0% town, one who is probably Town (outside chance he's SK) but certainly not Mafia, and the other two who are fairly solidly Town by virtue of good activity levels and scumhunt-rich filters.
I don't see the value in specifically revealing my town reads right now, but if you've been following the game, the map I outlined may make sense to you. YMMV. Let me know if you absolutely have to know if someone is in some tier or something. I don't see the harm or benefits in revealing this information unsolicited, however.
One exception, because I feel it may surprise people who read my case on allah-kah-Slam:
I do not suspect Alakaslam is scum. And neither should any of you, if'n -yous- were paying attention tonight.
U Rong chroma
Xzavier is skum. Yesssss, because I make Hz lose his sheitz totes by accident regarding hissel and Xzavier. Then look what HS sez^^^^^^
Yeeeeeesssssssaasssss.....
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On July 19 2013 10:16 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2013 10:14 Alakaslam wrote:On July 19 2013 10:05 Nightcat99 wrote:On July 19 2013 10:03 Alakaslam wrote:At Wickenburg laundromat, pffft my reads suck when active but rock house when passive XD So Sponge takes info to the grave but I wasn't nk-Ed, so mehhhh. Umasi was still roleblocked? Someone town on him then. Sup Ignacio? Can protect me at night next? I wouldn't guide a blue role like that though... So do what you will. Umasi confirmed NOT the Vig or SK though. I have to catch up from 102, gimme time assuming umasi is not lieing, he can still be Vig , just not SK PHALSE. You reminded me by this that he could still be either. No moar bloo phishing actually if hes the sk and he got roleblocked, it would be pretty stupid to claim..... cause now the vig know who the sk is...
O yea
Well maybe Vig knows now
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On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:
However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
I'm at either Onegu or Xzavier now, but this is a point in favor of Xzav as it stands. This originally looked bad because he's basically soft defending Gotard, but hz voted for Gotard much earlier. If the scumteam was going to bus by that point, there would be no reason for Xzav to make himself look bad by soft defending Gotard and holding off voting for as long as possible, if he knows that Gotard will flip scum anyway.
I'm planning on taking a break for the night to clear my head. In the morning I'll read filters yet again, and read my Onegu case and post it if I still find it convincing.
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On July 19 2013 10:23 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:
However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
I'm at either Onegu or Xzavier now, but this is a point in favor of Xzav as it stands. This originally looked bad because he's basically soft defending Gotard, but hz voted for Gotard much earlier. If the scumteam was going to bus by that point, there would be no reason for Xzav to make himself look bad by soft defending Gotard and holding off voting for as long as possible, if he knows that Gotard will flip scum anyway. I'm planning on taking a break for the night to clear my head. In the morning I'll read filters yet again, and read my Onegu case and post it if I still find it convincing.
Ah. Ty Chrom.
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Well, I don't know what to think now. Bamcis flips, psycho day for town. I bask in the atmosphere, introspecting
Well what, who is scum? I will go look once again, take me with a grain of salt because I sux
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Mmmh. Xzavier not jokin anymore. Yeah they were joke posts, but defense thyself, generally. Why aren't you scum? Show me that which you have done which is pro town, and explain thy mistakes. I Dinnae get it with you yet, this is not a case or accusation. I want you to clear it up a bit.
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What does everyone else think of Nightcat?
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On July 19 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Mmmh. Xzavier not jokin anymore. Yeah they were joke posts, but defense thyself, generally. Why aren't you scum? Show me that which you have done which is pro town, and explain thy mistakes. I Dinnae get it with you yet, this is not a case or accusation. I want you to clear it up a bit.
okay simple, iv been doing my best to bring new insightful points to the town. I think i made my case fairly clear as to why i was so late to join the gotard lynch, and it was because i wanted somebody who ended up lurking for what 40+ hours to fucking post before the deadline. that bugged me. i never expected him to get lynched that day, but i was hoping i could force him into posting. I would be retarded to think if i was scum that i could switch the lynch, theres literally no reason to not bus somebody whos already dead if your scum.
that was my thought process on the gotard lynch.
also with super being active again im happy, but hes still my number 1 suspect going into today.
He needs to use his new-found activity to convince me hes town.
as to why im not scum, if i knew that Hz and gotard were scumbuddies, i would have bussed gotard for being inactive, thats plain and simple.
im rather convinced that gotard is not scum because its pretty obvious what the scumplan for day3 must have been, its there in large neon lights: LETS GET A MISLYNCH ON UMASI DAY3!!!
so hes pretty much even more fucking town for me right now.
i liked the points that i brought up against nightcat, those were fresh and new. and whenever possible iv been contributing to discussion. When i got home from picking up broken glass for 2 hours (which is why i had to stay late today) i was fucking exhausted. So i made the post that needed to be made in case i die (i was rather sure i wouldnt, because the SK is keeping me around for WIFOM since people were accusing me of being that earlier) and the scum have far better threats to them then me and my world renowned scumhunting skills.
i think that nightcat is playing the "noob" card too strongly, i mean in my first game i didnt ask people obvious things just too look like a noob(it came naturally, didnt need to), i would just google them to see what they were talking about then get back into the game.
the points i brought up against the tribunal ( about keeping it small ) were also very pro-town.
at the fuckfest towards the end of day1 i made pro-town plays. even though there was a possiblity to lynch gotard that day, i dont want to lynch somebody who had a small case against him that nobody got a chance to discuss in a short amount of time, it turns out he was scum anyway, but imo 9 times out of 10 pulling shit like that can pull away from a better lynch into a mislynch, that happened my first game of mafia and i got mislynched in the last 5 minutes because votes were changing at silly speeds and nobody could keep track of anything.
so without knowing the end results it was a pro-town move, now that we know the end results you can say i was "defending" him but in reality i didnt want to lynch somebody without being able to discuss it first.
the mistakes iv made have been sheeping peoples cases without finding more to add myself, i have been like "okay i like this case, this is a good case" and then i go off and try to find the other scums. I have found good insights into some of the players who are still alive at this point, you cant say that isnt useful. My omgus which i still feel like HE is the one who was doing teh OMGUSing (as he did a weaksauce FoS while under lots of pressure then contradicted himself into bullshit that there are plenty of cases describing that i dont need to quote because you all have seen them) super, i think that hes certainly not town, he lurks to avoid the threat of being a lynch candidate/attention at the cost of giving town zero benefit. thats as far from pro-town as i can think. sure the post he came back with was good, but not good enough to justify lurking for over 40 hours.
anyway this is about me and not my friend called OMGUS who controls the left half of my brain.
i will not allow myself to look at a case, agree with it, then play a game of LoL and go to sleep anymore.
The other mistake i think iv been making alot has to do with my activity, i have only really been trying to pressure 1-2 people and i need to open my eyes a little bit more to others and share the love (ofc not all at once as thats silly) but i need to push people other than super.
is there anything else you would like me to clear up that i have missed? (sorry for not organizing this by order of things happening, its more of a puke from brain into text)
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