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Hello dear terrans.
I've got a big problem with my TvP. It feels Like i can play what ever i want to play and I get crushed. I tried to upen up with a mmm Build and lost... cause i see no point to early pressure and hurt the toss massively so i m really ahead. I mixed at one game my game with tanks to contain... but as soon as his ht are out i get curshed. At one game i contained him aswell.. mixed some mines and Ravens in my unit compo, controled his 3. so it was down all the time and i droped in his main, and oh wonder, i got crushed (yeh i had vikings). If he wud have played hts i wud have been down a bit earlyer so it kinda was his fault that i was alive that long. It feels like assoon as hts and Colossus are out i gonna lose so bad. storm 2 shot my bio and the rest gets melt away by the colos. the vikings get shot down by the stalkers and chargelots kill everything. The problem i see is that i can delay his tech abit, so he get later in to his lategame units, but what good is that delay for? I cant build late game units, thor is useless, ravens are ok but well not that big offa deal against colos and hts and my whole army is dead so my ghost dont work that much, cause everything gets roasted. And thanks to the mothership Blink stalkers are even better now because they ve got the early vision.
So please help me find my problem and how i can crush'em! TVp4 tvp3 tvp2
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Norway10161 Posts
Hi, and welcome to TL.
When asking for advice, it is a good idea to include certain information. Are you a silver or a gold player? What is your problem .. really?
If you spend a little more time on your thread it is easier for other to help you. Right now this is mainly you not being able to beat protoss.
This thread deals with the rules for the HOTS forum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386347
This thread deals with the rules for strategy threads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554
I have added the required [H] to your thread title, but I would suggest you spend some time on your post if you want good help.
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I am a Platin Player on wol and silver on hots. well my biggest problem against toss is, that i lose to storms and the colos combination. like in replay tvp4 i had an eco lead, dropped his Main and i marcoed better, But his storm and colos crushed me. So is it that my Split was horrible, or my timings were bad? why did i lose?
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Ghosts, and good micro. The only way too win TvP is too control well, dodge storms, snipe/EMP HT and focus down collosi.
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On February 04 2013 04:02 Mansef wrote: Ghosts, and good micro. The only way too win TvP is too control well, dodge storms, snipe/EMP HT and focus down collosi.
exactly this and you need to engage at the right time and army positioning, patients is the key.
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But it still feels like that my army gets chased down by an imortal centry stalker zealot mix. This is why i did not attack cause i thought that i gonna lose everything and i wont hurt em that much. And how do i contol better?
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On February 04 2013 04:19 Yamove wrote: But it still feels like that my army gets chased down by an imortal centry stalker zealot mix. This is why i did not attack cause i thought that i gonna lose everything and i wont hurt em that much. And how do i contol better? If he's going Immortal+zealots you should mix in some Hellbats as a meatshield against the zealots. That army should be pretty easy to crush. You control better by playing the game. Practice.
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I just checked "tvp2". The issiue here is the scout and how bad it was.You must see if P goes for 2 gases before 4 mins and if there is expansion at 5:00.If there are 2 gases as you saw and no expansion you must expect some 1 base all in.Heavy gates,Blink,DT or Oracle harass.So you must send one SCV to die after 5 min.Keep the first one you got hide somewhere at P 4th or 5th and send him after 5 min to check for expansion.So you would build more bunkers to defend,but the map is perfect for Blink so you must at least put there a marine or depot to see them coming,lift the CC and build more bunkers home to defend this all in.
Dont understand why you went for 2 rax factory/Starport.Early medivacs are ok,but 1raxFE must be followed by 3 rax,1 of them with lab to defend early aggresions.Your BO was pretty bad for what the enemy was doing because you didnt scout well.Will see next replays and comment.Platinum T here in WoL,gold in HotS.
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Now I watched Tvp3.
Your BO is a mess.Cant understand anything!!! Once again bad scout and your first SCV died before see anything important and the most was if your enemy was expanding.You were lucky not to die to a 4gate,DT harass,Oracle haras or any other all in.You wouldnt see it coming and werent perpared with only one bunker..
I feel like you have no idea what to do,and going for tech(factory and SP) after 1 raxFE is usually a suicide.Your enemy just left you alive because he was as bad as you.As I saw he doesnt know how to defend drops and where to expand.You were trying some kind of "contain" with some tanks and WMines,but he could have killed you easy.Your first drop came at 15 min almost and only one medivac.Go check some Pro replays and if you go BIO you must drop at 11-13 mins while attacking his 3rd and expanding.
You put your 4th in an incredible place!! Cant understand WHY THERE on Daybreak.Its just no sense.And as usual you never ever scout your enemy composition of units.Scout every 2-3 mins or less to see what is he adding.So you can response.The factory is for scouting,but you tried to use it for some tanks,but so few of them are almost useless.The power of bio is the mobility and drops.The tanks are for mech power and controllling space.
When you drop be sure to be doing one more thing at same time.Make the P army split,if not,they just kill your single medivac and wont be scared to leave their bases alone,because you wont do anything.Punish them,use the drops to distract them and snipe expansions.
Never leave your 3rd so exposed,put some turrets and maybe a PF there,because you will lose it so easy on this map by some zealot or DT harass.
As you saw you "contain" was killed so easy,because it really wasnt.Its not because of "joke race",its your fault and not being prepared well there.
Wherever you expand go there and try to establish the base defending it some time,because its very probably the enemy will attack it soon.You left him on 2 bases,so he just prepared his deathball and killed you easy.Your 4th died because there were no way to defend it.
Gonna check the TvP4 and see you once again vs the "joke race"
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Hey thanks for ur effort so far. I think the tvp4 is the best example because i did some drops and so on, but in the late game i still got beat down.
BTW where do i get some hots pro reps? i think it kinda wud help, eh?
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Lol!
Finally a standart 1raxFE going into 3rax. Once again bad scout with that SCV.I think you just send him there,but dont know why and sacrifice him to see ....what??? Check for double gas and go out and go back again to see if he expand.Same map as before for blink stalker and if your enemy would go for it once again,you would die easy again.Put a marine or depot there to spot something and a SCV killed by 2-3 stalkers at 5 min would tell you he is going for blink maybe and you put more bunkers in main.Your BO is very vulnerable because of your lack of scout.
Dont understand the Wmines with your BIO.Your Starport was too late and you make it build its own reactor!!! So,no medivacs for you at 10 min.Any 1 or 2 base P push will kill you always.
You seem to like exposed and easy to kill 3rds!!! Your 2nd expansion must be the safest possible and there is not the place to be.Your left is pretty easy to defend with a choke if you dont want to kill them collapsable rocks! Stop sending one lone medivac while doing nothing,because you wont get anything out of it and at least use the "emergency thrusters" to gain speed with it.
The contain was broken due to great storms.You had no idea he got HTs and thats why you got no Ghosts for EMP and he got free.Your try to avoid the storms was too late and pretty bad,so you must to go back home being almost 40 supply ahead!!!
In an engagement you must scan the enemys army to see where are the HTs,Archons or Immortals to EMP them.You were throwing random EMPs and left the immortals full of shields as well as some HTs to kill lot of your army.
I see you are quite BM.Dont know who was your enemy but,you played three games vs him and lost all of them,even if he is a "noob tard".Protoss arent "joke race",its just your game is pretty bad.Maybe you wont accept all what I say being so BM,but I just try to help you.Go check some Pro replays and compair with your own BO,achievements,objectives and timings.You will dicover a lot!!!!
gl hf
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ok cool thanks i hope they will help me so when Do is scout die colos and die ht? and how Do i follow up voe colos 1 starport or 2 and how many Vikings do i need for 3 or more colosy? and i added u so u cud prob. help me about Live
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You havent added me yet.Dont know what do you did.Give me your code and character and I ll add you too,so we continue ingame and speak
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