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Heavy supply block? Way behind in units lost?
Yeah GoOdy won the game. Happens every time.
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I want to try mech vs Goody.
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On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round.
Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed.
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What th hell is Strelok doing.
This game looks like gold league :x
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wtf strelok. suicide all your scvs but no army to buffer dmg for?
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Well that was strange trieng to break a contain with scv's and Marines only and don't even attack together.
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I'm going to assume that that SCV conga line was a failed transfer to the third.
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On August 07 2011 10:40 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:34 Ertu wrote:On August 07 2011 10:31 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:30 Jtom wrote:On August 07 2011 10:28 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:25 mholden02 wrote: Thorzains style is outdated. He is out playing Mana, but his army is Marauder heavy vs Charge-Lots, and his army is getting crushed. Blue Flame Hellion tech and Thorzain wins both games. Again, he must update his style or he will continue to lose games where he outplays his opponent Nobody playes blueflame Helions against Protoss unless he goes full mech ( which only GoOdy does ). While in Theory blueflame Helions are awesome against Zealots in most cases they don't hit all that many targets and also die like flies. They are also very fast and cheap and have lots of purposes, harass and map control for example. But they are not good Units in big engagements. You can build some for Map control or Harrass but in open battles they're nothing more then sacrifiecial lambs that buffer some damage. That's all the meching Terran needs though,if he can buy an extra tank shot or two for his tanks by sacrificing his helions,he will definitely prevail in the battle. And helions are,as stated above,easily replacable. Ehh against Protoss where Tanks are not as good as in other MU's i'm not convinced. Even GoOdy and all his experience with his Mechstyle isn't going to for a Ultralategame with Mech against Toss. He'll push before the Protoss has 10-20 Gates because you can't trade with the Protoss anymore at that point you have to win the fight extremely convicing or the reeinforcements will just kill you.
So because Terrans have not been using Hellions, your assuming they don't fit the matchup? Tell you what, open up your unit tester, and run some Charge-Lot vs Rauder simulations, and some Blue Hellion vs Charge-Lot simulations. Its ridiculous the difference. Yet Terrans have an 80% Rauder army vs a 60+% Charge-Lot army. And they lose. Well, of course they do.
Don't worry in a couple weeks Bomber or MVP will break out Blue Hellions vs Toss Charge-Lot army, he will crush, and everyone will wonder, why didn't we do that before?
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Ok this is pretty old still the old Blue Flame Icon.
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Playing against GOODy is like the most frustrating shit ever.
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On August 07 2011 10:35 constantqt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:34 Ertu wrote:On August 07 2011 10:31 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:30 Jtom wrote:On August 07 2011 10:28 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:25 mholden02 wrote: Thorzains style is outdated. He is out playing Mana, but his army is Marauder heavy vs Charge-Lots, and his army is getting crushed. Blue Flame Hellion tech and Thorzain wins both games. Again, he must update his style or he will continue to lose games where he outplays his opponent Nobody playes blueflame Helions against Protoss unless he goes full mech ( which only GoOdy does ). While in Theory blueflame Helions are awesome against Zealots in most cases they don't hit all that many targets and also die like flies. They are also very fast and cheap and have lots of purposes, harass and map control for example. But they are not good Units in big engagements. You can build some for Map control or Harrass but in open battles they're nothing more then sacrifiecial lambs that buffer some damage. That's all the meching Terran needs though,if he can buy an extra tank shot or two for his tanks by sacrificing his helions,he will definitely prevail in the battle. And helions are,as stated above,easily replacable. stop theorycrafting mech is horrible vs toss
Please also state that gateway units are terrible vs marine-marauder so that I make sure you still live in 2010. I use mech in EU masters versus Toss on certain maps with great success,so do a few pro players. Check Goody vs Nightend from this same tournament,
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On August 07 2011 10:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round. Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed.
If Stephano is still doing that ling/infestor style I would be concerned for Mana's chances. ;P
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Who's the yellow terran in the production tab??
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On August 07 2011 10:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round. Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed. If Stephano is still doing that ling/infestor style I would be concerned for Mana's chances. ;P
Try Ultralisk style.
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On August 07 2011 10:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 07 2011 10:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round. Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed. If Stephano is still doing that ling/infestor style I would be concerned for Mana's chances. ;P Try Ultralisk style.
You can't stoke my interests and not post replays! That would be criminal.
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On August 07 2011 10:46 Ertu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:35 constantqt wrote:On August 07 2011 10:34 Ertu wrote:On August 07 2011 10:31 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:30 Jtom wrote:On August 07 2011 10:28 s3rp wrote:On August 07 2011 10:25 mholden02 wrote: Thorzains style is outdated. He is out playing Mana, but his army is Marauder heavy vs Charge-Lots, and his army is getting crushed. Blue Flame Hellion tech and Thorzain wins both games. Again, he must update his style or he will continue to lose games where he outplays his opponent Nobody playes blueflame Helions against Protoss unless he goes full mech ( which only GoOdy does ). While in Theory blueflame Helions are awesome against Zealots in most cases they don't hit all that many targets and also die like flies. They are also very fast and cheap and have lots of purposes, harass and map control for example. But they are not good Units in big engagements. You can build some for Map control or Harrass but in open battles they're nothing more then sacrifiecial lambs that buffer some damage. That's all the meching Terran needs though,if he can buy an extra tank shot or two for his tanks by sacrificing his helions,he will definitely prevail in the battle. And helions are,as stated above,easily replacable. stop theorycrafting mech is horrible vs toss Please also state that gateway units are terrible vs marine-marauder so that I make sure you still live in 2010. I use mech in EU masters versus Toss on certain maps with great success,so do a few pro players. Check Goody vs Nightend from this same tournament,
It can be decent BUT you can't allow the Protoss to reach a certain point to economy because he'll there's no way you will ever reeinforce fast enough against alot of Gateways.
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On August 07 2011 10:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 07 2011 10:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 07 2011 10:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round. Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed. If Stephano is still doing that ling/infestor style I would be concerned for Mana's chances. ;P Try Ultralisk style. You can't stoke my interests and not post replays! That would be criminal.
BratOK vs Stephano, Bronze match Assembly 2011 (yesterday), check http://www.twitch.tv/setttv for some vods, assuming they are accessible.
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This game is going to last at least 55 (in game) minutes.
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On August 07 2011 10:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 10:29 hitpoint wrote:On August 07 2011 10:26 oskarla wrote:Mana should be called the champion killer after this week lol. First Huk, then Nada and now Thorzain i hope he goes to MLG sometime so he can show all the ignorant americans who's boss Americans may be ignorant, but Idra's still going to crush Mana in the next round. Anyone who underestimate's Mana's PvZ after training with Stephano, is rather foolish indeed.
Man's PvZ has improved a lot. he took Dimaga to a best of 5 in the final of Assembly. Where as before, he was terrible in the matchup. You might be surprised how well he plays. He may very well win.
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