• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:34
CET 19:34
KST 03:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets3$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1825
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list? Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced WardiTV Winter Cup
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2724 users

[WL] KTF v OZ Playoffs

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 23:37:16
March 19 2009 13:48 GMT
#1

****NOT THE LR THREAD -- See THIS****



[image loading]

Winners league banner by Keit.

Two of the strongest teams clash in what is to be an epic fight.


[image loading]

KTF MagicNs


At War With...


[image loading]

Hwaseung Oz

Writing by DoctorHelvetica, Charts and Images by Fzero


The Maps

[image loading]
[image loading]


The map order is:

Game 1: Hoejja < Andromeda > Jaedong
Game 2: < Medusa >
Game 3: < Sin Chupung-Ryeong >
Game 4: < Rush Hour 3 >
Game 5: < Colosseum II >
Game 6: < Neo Harmony >
Game 7: < Destination >

I expect Jaedong to do very well in this map pool. FlaSh or fOrGG may have a chance to snipe him on Colosseum, Destination, or Rush Hour 3. However, Jaedong is in incredible shape and he still has HiyA and Lomo to pick up the slack on Rush Hour and Destination.

KTF has some good terrans in fOrGG and FlaSh and some good zergs in HoeJJa and Luxury. Can a player like TempeSt, however, perform on Medusa against Terran? Or Destination? This game is gonna come down to the team of fOrGG/FlaSh/Luxury, while Hwaseung is going to have to rely on Jaedong/HiyA/Young. I expect KTF will take this game, even lacking a great Protoss.

The Players

[image loading]


KTF has key players in FlaSh, Luxury, fOrGG, HoeJJa, and TempeSt. FlaSh is in a bit of a mini-slump, but if he can perform at his top shape during this match, he will undoubtedly take down Hwaseung by himself. Only Jaedong has a chance of stopping him and assuming they fight on Rush Hour or Colosseum, Jaedong doesn't stand a chance.

fOrGG is instrumental to KTF, having much knowledge of the Hwaseung players and their playstyles. His knowledge and the mere psychological effect of sending him out gives KTF a huge and somewhat understated trump card. If fOrGG can get a 2-kill, Oz will be in a bad place psychologically.

TempeSt is the only protoss capable of winning on KTF. His placement is crucial, he must snipe a terran on Medusa or Destination. Sending him out on just any map would be a huge mistake when there are much better players like HoeJJa and Luxury to score kills for KTF.

HoeJJa and Luxury are a dynamic zerg duo, with a lot of promise. Luxury is fairly inconsistent in the Winners League, but performs pretty well in clutch situations. Even if Luxury is taken down, HoeJJa can snipe a protoss on Neo Harmony and perform pretty well in any situation he is needed.
[image loading]

Hwaseung Oz has key players in Jaedong, HiyA, Young, and Lomo. Jaedong and HiyA are both performing very well lately, Young and Lomo showing some promising games recently as well. However, FlaSh and Luxury are both so good against terran that Oz's T heavy lineup might not be very helpful.

Jaedong is key here, as almost no one on KTF has a chance against him besides FlaSh and Luxury. While Jaedong is a favorite against Luxury, ZvZ is a very touchy match-up and Luxury's ability in the match-up is nothing to scoff at. However, the chance of a Jaedong all-kill is not very low. If Jaedong is sniped before 2 kills, Hwaseung will lose.

HiyA is excellent against Terran and Protoss, so he will most likely be sniped after 1-kill by Luxury or HoeJJa. If by HoeJJa, then HoeJJa will probably lose the second game to Young or Lomo. If by Luxury, Luxury will probably achieve a 2-kill and then lose to Jaedong. HiyA can possibly snipe FlaSh with a creative build, or snipe TempeSt if he is out for some reason.

Young and Lomo have the potential to be map snipers, but Lomo might take a very insignificant position as the "other terran", while Young might have to snipe fOrGG or FlaSh on Medusa. The potential for both these players is important and I hope for a good game from Lomo (I'm a Lomo fanboy :3). Bubblegum Terran Fighting!.
[image loading]


Based on maps and players, I predict KTF will win this match. Jaedong can be too easily sniped on Colosseum, Destination, and Rush Hour 3. HiyA and Young just can't carry KTF while Luxury and fOrGG are very capable of doing so. This map will prove to be an exciting one now that fOrGG is on the team and creating some drama around the match.

Let's hope for a good game! KTF/Hwaseung Fighting!
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
March 19 2009 13:56 GMT
#2
forgot to mention that Hoejja vsJeadong first game O-o
n_n
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
March 19 2009 13:58 GMT
#3
Awesome OP.

BTW ForGG is in both team pictures
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
March 19 2009 14:01 GMT
#4
Epic op lots of great information
Taek Bang
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 19 2009 14:02 GMT
#5
i dont get the arrows but friggin awwesomeeeee op ! :D:D:D:DD
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 19 2009 14:05 GMT
#6
So the arrows take the average of the three percentages and they mark how much higher/lower each statistic is from the average.

So for example:

Colosseum 2:
avg - 54.23

TvZ is much higher than that (up arrow) while PvT is only slightly above (diagonal up arrow) and ZvP is far below (down arrow).
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
March 19 2009 14:10 GMT
#7
thanks for the great OP

this will be exciting...

especially if KTF sends fOrGG out against Hwaseung
fromis_9 enjoyer
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 14:13:10
March 19 2009 14:12 GMT
#8
Awesome op, thanks for the effort =)

edit: you should for fun put some image over forgg's head in the oz picture or just a big red cross =P
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 19 2009 14:14 GMT
#9
Oh, and just for fun.. I predict:

HoeJJa v Jaedong
fOrGG v Jaedong
Flash v Jaedong
Flash v HiyA
Flash v Young
Luxury v Young
Luxury v Lomo

But in all seriousness, if KTF can beat Jaedong with anyone but Flash they will win. It's too risky to send Flash in the second set and the third set is also very risky since Flash struggles on Chupung. I'm thinking they may send Lux in the second set to try to get rid of Jaedong quickly and Lux will lose to Hiya on Chupung then Flash will finish Oz after he beats Hiya on RH3.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
March 19 2009 15:43 GMT
#10
Nice op.
I'm hoping for flash to all-kill OZ.
Sullifam
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
March 19 2009 15:54 GMT
#11
This is probably only the most thoroughly done set of predictions ever done at TL. Great job you two!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 19 2009 15:55 GMT
#12
why do you keep saying JD on colosseum could be sniped, or whatever. He wont get to play on colosseum no matter what, as OP you shuld have noticed that
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 19 2009 16:01 GMT
#13
I'm confused, is this the most articulated live report OP ever made, or is it supposed to be an article and not a LR thread? Either way, this is great stuff guys - thanks.
Moderator
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
March 19 2009 16:03 GMT
#14
Jaedong All Kill incoming.
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17599 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 16:14:59
March 19 2009 16:14 GMT
#15
Damn, I hate JaeDong and Flash so much Hope they both don't win any games so the match will be more interesting.

Edit: Oh, I forgot that I don't hate JD but Effort...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 16:41:19
March 19 2009 16:14 GMT
#16
On March 20 2009 01:01 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm confused, is this the most articulated live report OP ever made, or is it supposed to be an article and not a LR thread? Either way, this is great stuff guys - thanks.

yeah it's an article. fzero already pm'd me asking me if I wanted to use some of the images for the actual LR thread

Edit: I predict a Jaedong 3 kill into fOrGG snipe and reverse sweep!

Ok tbh I only looked at the charts, which are very good. Dr. H you need to fix your write up!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
March 19 2009 16:38 GMT
#17
ROFL. How can Tempest snipe a Terran on Medusa when the second set on Medusa would be vs Jaedong? And if he sniped a Terran on Destination, then he would be KTF's last hope And you can't snipe Jaedong on Colosseum II or Destination? He can't possibly play those maps if he is starting. And how can Hoejja snipe a Toss on Neo Harmony if he is starting? You need to get your stories straight based off the map pool rofl.
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
March 19 2009 16:47 GMT
#18
lol forGG is in both photos.
fuck lag
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 19 2009 17:05 GMT
#19
Jaedong can't be sniped on Medusa, and Young/Backho can't snipe a terran on Medusa. It's not possible given the map pool. Wait, nvm, someone already said it.
Jaedong
ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
March 19 2009 17:49 GMT
#20
sigh why did they send jd first now an epic ace match against luxury will be unlikely
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 443
UpATreeSC 314
TKL 173
BRAT_OK 86
JuggernautJason86
MindelVK 24
Railgan 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 721
hero 109
Dewaltoss 109
Zeus 92
910 25
Bale 9
Noble 5
Dota 2
qojqva2772
Counter-Strike
fl0m3088
pashabiceps1075
Foxcn280
adren_tv59
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1998
FrodaN1500
Beastyqt704
ceh9511
ArmadaUGS259
DeMusliM253
byalli215
QueenE135
ToD72
KnowMe43
Mew2King40
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1385
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 19
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2694
• lizZardDota253
League of Legends
• TFBlade982
• Shiphtur525
Other Games
• imaqtpie1191
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
15h 26m
OSC
17h 26m
Jumy vs sebesdes
Nicoract vs GgMaChine
ReBellioN vs MaNa
Lemon vs TriGGeR
Gerald vs Cure
Creator vs SHIN
OSC
1d 17h
All Star Teams
2 days
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
All Star Teams
3 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-13
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.