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[WL] KTF v OZ Playoffs

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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 23:37:16
March 19 2009 13:48 GMT
#1

****NOT THE LR THREAD -- See THIS****



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Winners league banner by Keit.

Two of the strongest teams clash in what is to be an epic fight.


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KTF MagicNs


At War With...


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Hwaseung Oz

Writing by DoctorHelvetica, Charts and Images by Fzero


The Maps

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The map order is:

Game 1: Hoejja < Andromeda > Jaedong
Game 2: < Medusa >
Game 3: < Sin Chupung-Ryeong >
Game 4: < Rush Hour 3 >
Game 5: < Colosseum II >
Game 6: < Neo Harmony >
Game 7: < Destination >

I expect Jaedong to do very well in this map pool. FlaSh or fOrGG may have a chance to snipe him on Colosseum, Destination, or Rush Hour 3. However, Jaedong is in incredible shape and he still has HiyA and Lomo to pick up the slack on Rush Hour and Destination.

KTF has some good terrans in fOrGG and FlaSh and some good zergs in HoeJJa and Luxury. Can a player like TempeSt, however, perform on Medusa against Terran? Or Destination? This game is gonna come down to the team of fOrGG/FlaSh/Luxury, while Hwaseung is going to have to rely on Jaedong/HiyA/Young. I expect KTF will take this game, even lacking a great Protoss.

The Players

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KTF has key players in FlaSh, Luxury, fOrGG, HoeJJa, and TempeSt. FlaSh is in a bit of a mini-slump, but if he can perform at his top shape during this match, he will undoubtedly take down Hwaseung by himself. Only Jaedong has a chance of stopping him and assuming they fight on Rush Hour or Colosseum, Jaedong doesn't stand a chance.

fOrGG is instrumental to KTF, having much knowledge of the Hwaseung players and their playstyles. His knowledge and the mere psychological effect of sending him out gives KTF a huge and somewhat understated trump card. If fOrGG can get a 2-kill, Oz will be in a bad place psychologically.

TempeSt is the only protoss capable of winning on KTF. His placement is crucial, he must snipe a terran on Medusa or Destination. Sending him out on just any map would be a huge mistake when there are much better players like HoeJJa and Luxury to score kills for KTF.

HoeJJa and Luxury are a dynamic zerg duo, with a lot of promise. Luxury is fairly inconsistent in the Winners League, but performs pretty well in clutch situations. Even if Luxury is taken down, HoeJJa can snipe a protoss on Neo Harmony and perform pretty well in any situation he is needed.
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Hwaseung Oz has key players in Jaedong, HiyA, Young, and Lomo. Jaedong and HiyA are both performing very well lately, Young and Lomo showing some promising games recently as well. However, FlaSh and Luxury are both so good against terran that Oz's T heavy lineup might not be very helpful.

Jaedong is key here, as almost no one on KTF has a chance against him besides FlaSh and Luxury. While Jaedong is a favorite against Luxury, ZvZ is a very touchy match-up and Luxury's ability in the match-up is nothing to scoff at. However, the chance of a Jaedong all-kill is not very low. If Jaedong is sniped before 2 kills, Hwaseung will lose.

HiyA is excellent against Terran and Protoss, so he will most likely be sniped after 1-kill by Luxury or HoeJJa. If by HoeJJa, then HoeJJa will probably lose the second game to Young or Lomo. If by Luxury, Luxury will probably achieve a 2-kill and then lose to Jaedong. HiyA can possibly snipe FlaSh with a creative build, or snipe TempeSt if he is out for some reason.

Young and Lomo have the potential to be map snipers, but Lomo might take a very insignificant position as the "other terran", while Young might have to snipe fOrGG or FlaSh on Medusa. The potential for both these players is important and I hope for a good game from Lomo (I'm a Lomo fanboy :3). Bubblegum Terran Fighting!.
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Based on maps and players, I predict KTF will win this match. Jaedong can be too easily sniped on Colosseum, Destination, and Rush Hour 3. HiyA and Young just can't carry KTF while Luxury and fOrGG are very capable of doing so. This map will prove to be an exciting one now that fOrGG is on the team and creating some drama around the match.

Let's hope for a good game! KTF/Hwaseung Fighting!
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
March 19 2009 13:56 GMT
#2
forgot to mention that Hoejja vsJeadong first game O-o
n_n
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
March 19 2009 13:58 GMT
#3
Awesome OP.

BTW ForGG is in both team pictures
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
March 19 2009 14:01 GMT
#4
Epic op lots of great information
Taek Bang
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 19 2009 14:02 GMT
#5
i dont get the arrows but friggin awwesomeeeee op ! :D:D:D:DD
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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 19 2009 14:05 GMT
#6
So the arrows take the average of the three percentages and they mark how much higher/lower each statistic is from the average.

So for example:

Colosseum 2:
avg - 54.23

TvZ is much higher than that (up arrow) while PvT is only slightly above (diagonal up arrow) and ZvP is far below (down arrow).
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
March 19 2009 14:10 GMT
#7
thanks for the great OP

this will be exciting...

especially if KTF sends fOrGG out against Hwaseung
fromis_9 enjoyer
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 14:13:10
March 19 2009 14:12 GMT
#8
Awesome op, thanks for the effort =)

edit: you should for fun put some image over forgg's head in the oz picture or just a big red cross =P
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 19 2009 14:14 GMT
#9
Oh, and just for fun.. I predict:

HoeJJa v Jaedong
fOrGG v Jaedong
Flash v Jaedong
Flash v HiyA
Flash v Young
Luxury v Young
Luxury v Lomo

But in all seriousness, if KTF can beat Jaedong with anyone but Flash they will win. It's too risky to send Flash in the second set and the third set is also very risky since Flash struggles on Chupung. I'm thinking they may send Lux in the second set to try to get rid of Jaedong quickly and Lux will lose to Hiya on Chupung then Flash will finish Oz after he beats Hiya on RH3.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
March 19 2009 15:43 GMT
#10
Nice op.
I'm hoping for flash to all-kill OZ.
Sullifam
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
March 19 2009 15:54 GMT
#11
This is probably only the most thoroughly done set of predictions ever done at TL. Great job you two!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 19 2009 15:55 GMT
#12
why do you keep saying JD on colosseum could be sniped, or whatever. He wont get to play on colosseum no matter what, as OP you shuld have noticed that
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 19 2009 16:01 GMT
#13
I'm confused, is this the most articulated live report OP ever made, or is it supposed to be an article and not a LR thread? Either way, this is great stuff guys - thanks.
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JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
March 19 2009 16:03 GMT
#14
Jaedong All Kill incoming.
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 16:14:59
March 19 2009 16:14 GMT
#15
Damn, I hate JaeDong and Flash so much Hope they both don't win any games so the match will be more interesting.

Edit: Oh, I forgot that I don't hate JD but Effort...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 16:41:19
March 19 2009 16:14 GMT
#16
On March 20 2009 01:01 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm confused, is this the most articulated live report OP ever made, or is it supposed to be an article and not a LR thread? Either way, this is great stuff guys - thanks.

yeah it's an article. fzero already pm'd me asking me if I wanted to use some of the images for the actual LR thread

Edit: I predict a Jaedong 3 kill into fOrGG snipe and reverse sweep!

Ok tbh I only looked at the charts, which are very good. Dr. H you need to fix your write up!
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
March 19 2009 16:38 GMT
#17
ROFL. How can Tempest snipe a Terran on Medusa when the second set on Medusa would be vs Jaedong? And if he sniped a Terran on Destination, then he would be KTF's last hope And you can't snipe Jaedong on Colosseum II or Destination? He can't possibly play those maps if he is starting. And how can Hoejja snipe a Toss on Neo Harmony if he is starting? You need to get your stories straight based off the map pool rofl.
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
March 19 2009 16:47 GMT
#18
lol forGG is in both photos.
fuck lag
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 19 2009 17:05 GMT
#19
Jaedong can't be sniped on Medusa, and Young/Backho can't snipe a terran on Medusa. It's not possible given the map pool. Wait, nvm, someone already said it.
Jaedong
ichimarugin680
Profile Joined February 2009
United States182 Posts
March 19 2009 17:49 GMT
#20
sigh why did they send jd first now an epic ace match against luxury will be unlikely
I'd like that Rosh cheeze with some whine.////.... When you feel down and lost read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
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