• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:57
CET 12:57
KST 20:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book11Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info7herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker6PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)9Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April8
StarCraft 2
General
Terran Scanner Sweep How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) WardiTV Mondays $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 512 Overclocked The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth Mutation # 510 Safety Violation
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Gypsy to Korea [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BW General Discussion Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Sex and weight loss YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2671 users

Top Terran Pro Right Now!

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-03 00:26:41
December 16 2008 19:05 GMT
#1
2/3/2009

recent changes:

Leta #1 on PR Rank
Flash up and down, loses in GOM, beats Ace last night
Leta loses to Savior last night
Other terrans seem to have fallen off the map. FBH, Mind, etc... all seem gone.

so very quickly

[image loading]

Poll: Best Terran Right Now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Nada
(Vote): Oov
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Upmagic
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote):



1/10/2009

k so it's been a while since i updated this... the goal is to document TL's perception of its Pro Terran players over time. So without further ado...

[image loading]

Poll: Best Pro Terran RIGHT NOW!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Upmagic
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote): Skyhigh

12/23/2008

recent changes:

Leta beats forgg, frozean, loses to jangbi. still top PL record right now at 16-5 i think.

FBH gets owned by Best. Too much hesitation imo, should have moved out with his mnm force against a clearly expanding best.

Flash: up and down. didn't really follow closely... i know he beat Ace twice.

Fantasy: beats jangbi, loses to jaedong

Mind: beats Kal 2-1 at Averatec, beats skyhigh at Ace

forgg: loses to Leta...


and etc.

so, same as before:

[image loading]

Poll: Best Terran Player RIGHT NOW!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote): Upmagic

no more second place vote. gogo!




As of 12/17/08, I think it's Leta again.

reasons:

Flash loses

leta rapes at OSL

new poll:

[image loading]

Poll: Top Terran Player right now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Really
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Boxer


[image loading]

Poll: Second Best Terran Right Now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Boxer


------------------------

12/16/08

I think it's Leta.

Did you see his rape of Upmagic and really? I think he could take down flash right now if he wanted.

What do you think

edit: i failed at old poll, sorry
manner
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 16 2008 19:08 GMT
#2
Leta vs Flash replay:

http://fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/442f20

Who won?

+ Show Spoiler +
Leta got RAPED!!! Good game tho
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
December 16 2008 19:11 GMT
#3
flash, who else ?

leta is good but proleague and starleagues are 2 different things
Terran & Potato Salad.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7001 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:16:40
December 16 2008 19:12 GMT
#4
Proleague wins are overrated, Leta's wins aren't versus very impressive players and it is far easier to collect a huge streak by just playing Proleague and never facing the really godlike players.

Leta does have a good shot at becoming something big, but so far he hasn't proved himself enough.

There is no doubt Flash is the best one by far right now though.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 16 2008 19:14 GMT
#5
On December 17 2008 04:08 Zoler wrote:
Leta vs Flash replay:

http://fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/442f20

Who won?

+ Show Spoiler +
Leta got RAPED!!! Good game tho


right now! pretend it's calculus and you're deriving the slope of a point on a line. so even if flash is/was an overall better player than leta, who do you think is the best today?
manner
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8158 Posts
December 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#6
Flash is still just totally beyond every other Terren player right now. After him it's probably between FBH fantasy sea and leta. Leta still needs a lot more experience in individual leagues though.
Free Palestine
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#7
not till he proves himself in multiple box series.
BBS
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany204 Posts
December 16 2008 19:16 GMT
#8
NADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA best for always and for ever :D
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 16 2008 19:17 GMT
#9
flash is better
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
December 16 2008 19:20 GMT
#10
MIND ANYONE
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
December 16 2008 19:20 GMT
#11
Flash and Mind are better than Leta. Leta do not has experience in even in BO3
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 16 2008 19:21 GMT
#12
On December 17 2008 04:15 Ideas wrote:
Flash is still just totally beyond every other Terren player right now. After him it's probably between FBH fantasy sea and leta. Leta still needs a lot more experience in individual leagues though.


i'd take off fantasy and sea. revolutionist or not (and i think a strong case could be said that he's not), fantasy is just subpar right now. and sea... erratic at best.

fbh strikes fear into the heart of every Z right now, but all Z is getting raped by T lately.

i love flash, really, but i think Leta's been relaly strong lately.
manner
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:29:22
December 16 2008 19:22 GMT
#13
Proleague isn't overrated. It's just "different" from starleagues.

For example, Leta basically played on two maps this season, Harmony and Chipong-Ryeong. You can do this in the PL because you pick the maps. Starleagues is where players show their versatility because of the varied map pool.

Edit: Oh, and as for top terrans, Flash is clear #1 and FBH is a shaky #2. Although ForGG, Fantasy, Sea, and Leta aren't far behind.
Meh
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 19:26 GMT
#14
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
December 16 2008 19:30 GMT
#15
Could anyone see Leta beating Jangi, Best or Stork if they faceoff in the proleagues?
Or would Flash have a better chance against those players?
There's your answer.
I liked Leta's consistency since last season, but he has yet to beat the S-class progamers.
Right now he is doing his job well: beating everyone that I consider decent, but not the elite-tiered players
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
December 16 2008 19:31 GMT
#16
Flash is better in proleague. 3 of his 5 losses came back in October when he was playing horribly.

Flash is obviously better in individual leagues.

How is this even a question?

There are only two people who can even challenge Flash for being better at even one matchup and guess what Leta is not one of them (FBH -> TvZ; Mind -> TvP).
Liquipedia
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
December 16 2008 19:32 GMT
#17
On December 17 2008 04:26 Caller wrote:
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO

who sucks balls tvp.
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
December 16 2008 19:32 GMT
#18
in terms of best terran id have to put it in this order

flash>firebathero>sea>sea.really/upmagic>fantasy(overrated)
wraiths go pew pew
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 16 2008 19:36 GMT
#19
Flash is the best terran in the world because he delivers the best results in starleagues. Leta needs to do something in a starleague (finals/championship) to prove he is truly one of the best terran of all time.
hrvatski
Profile Joined November 2008
27 Posts
December 16 2008 19:38 GMT
#20
Mind

+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, FBH, too


P.S. I'm not saying Flash, because it's too obvious
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LiuLi Cup
11:00
Group A
Reynor vs Creator
Maru vs Lambo
RotterdaM689
TKL 162
IndyStarCraft 154
Rex100
IntoTheiNu 16
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #118
ByuN vs ShoWTimELIVE!
Classic vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings126
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 689
TKL 162
IndyStarCraft 154
Rex 100
herO (Afreeca) 5
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7873
Sea 4048
Horang2 1362
Bisu 1180
Hyuk 622
Jaedong 596
BeSt 585
actioN 375
GuemChi 362
firebathero 348
[ Show more ]
Stork 306
Larva 281
Mini 218
Light 191
EffOrt 159
Soma 147
Snow 114
Soulkey 99
ggaemo 81
Pusan 79
Sharp 76
PianO 68
hero 59
Rush 58
Sea.KH 55
Aegong 45
JYJ 41
Mong 37
Free 36
sorry 34
Killer 32
Shuttle 32
ToSsGirL 29
Barracks 25
Shinee 25
sSak 25
JulyZerg 24
Shine 21
Icarus 21
910 20
Movie 17
Hm[arnc] 17
GoRush 16
scan(afreeca) 16
soO 16
HiyA 12
Terrorterran 11
Sacsri 5
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 411
XcaliburYe144
NeuroSwarm114
League of Legends
JimRising 336
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1764
shoxiejesuss1324
zeus780
x6flipin597
byalli256
edward93
kRYSTAL_76
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King67
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi983
B2W.Neo646
KnowMe171
Fuzer 151
crisheroes150
Pyrionflax145
Livibee71
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick352
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 26
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Response 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota246
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
13h 3m
Replay Cast
21h 3m
LiuLi Cup
23h 3m
Clem vs Rogue
SHIN vs Cyan
Replay Cast
1d 12h
The PondCast
1d 22h
KCM Race Survival
1d 22h
LiuLi Cup
1d 23h
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
2 days
Online Event
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
Serral vs Zoun
Cure vs Classic
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
LiuLi Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-09
Rongyi Cup S3
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.