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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-03 00:26:41
December 16 2008 19:05 GMT
#1
2/3/2009

recent changes:

Leta #1 on PR Rank
Flash up and down, loses in GOM, beats Ace last night
Leta loses to Savior last night
Other terrans seem to have fallen off the map. FBH, Mind, etc... all seem gone.

so very quickly

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Poll: Best Terran Right Now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Nada
(Vote): Oov
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Upmagic
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote):



1/10/2009

k so it's been a while since i updated this... the goal is to document TL's perception of its Pro Terran players over time. So without further ado...

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Poll: Best Pro Terran RIGHT NOW!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Upmagic
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote): Skyhigh

12/23/2008

recent changes:

Leta beats forgg, frozean, loses to jangbi. still top PL record right now at 16-5 i think.

FBH gets owned by Best. Too much hesitation imo, should have moved out with his mnm force against a clearly expanding best.

Flash: up and down. didn't really follow closely... i know he beat Ace twice.

Fantasy: beats jangbi, loses to jaedong

Mind: beats Kal 2-1 at Averatec, beats skyhigh at Ace

forgg: loses to Leta...


and etc.

so, same as before:

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Poll: Best Terran Player RIGHT NOW!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Boxer
(Vote): Upmagic

no more second place vote. gogo!




As of 12/17/08, I think it's Leta again.

reasons:

Flash loses

leta rapes at OSL

new poll:

[image loading]

Poll: Top Terran Player right now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): Really
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Boxer


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Poll: Second Best Terran Right Now!
(Vote): Flash
(Vote): Mind
(Vote): ForGG
(Vote): Sea
(Vote): FBH
(Vote): Leta
(Vote): Really
(Vote): Boxer


------------------------

12/16/08

I think it's Leta.

Did you see his rape of Upmagic and really? I think he could take down flash right now if he wanted.

What do you think

edit: i failed at old poll, sorry
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 16 2008 19:08 GMT
#2
Leta vs Flash replay:

http://fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/442f20

Who won?

+ Show Spoiler +
Leta got RAPED!!! Good game tho
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
December 16 2008 19:11 GMT
#3
flash, who else ?

leta is good but proleague and starleagues are 2 different things
Terran & Potato Salad.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7034 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:16:40
December 16 2008 19:12 GMT
#4
Proleague wins are overrated, Leta's wins aren't versus very impressive players and it is far easier to collect a huge streak by just playing Proleague and never facing the really godlike players.

Leta does have a good shot at becoming something big, but so far he hasn't proved himself enough.

There is no doubt Flash is the best one by far right now though.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 16 2008 19:14 GMT
#5
On December 17 2008 04:08 Zoler wrote:
Leta vs Flash replay:

http://fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/442f20

Who won?

+ Show Spoiler +
Leta got RAPED!!! Good game tho


right now! pretend it's calculus and you're deriving the slope of a point on a line. so even if flash is/was an overall better player than leta, who do you think is the best today?
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8173 Posts
December 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#6
Flash is still just totally beyond every other Terren player right now. After him it's probably between FBH fantasy sea and leta. Leta still needs a lot more experience in individual leagues though.
Free Palestine
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#7
not till he proves himself in multiple box series.
BBS
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany204 Posts
December 16 2008 19:16 GMT
#8
NADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA best for always and for ever :D
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 16 2008 19:17 GMT
#9
flash is better
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
December 16 2008 19:20 GMT
#10
MIND ANYONE
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
December 16 2008 19:20 GMT
#11
Flash and Mind are better than Leta. Leta do not has experience in even in BO3
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 16 2008 19:21 GMT
#12
On December 17 2008 04:15 Ideas wrote:
Flash is still just totally beyond every other Terren player right now. After him it's probably between FBH fantasy sea and leta. Leta still needs a lot more experience in individual leagues though.


i'd take off fantasy and sea. revolutionist or not (and i think a strong case could be said that he's not), fantasy is just subpar right now. and sea... erratic at best.

fbh strikes fear into the heart of every Z right now, but all Z is getting raped by T lately.

i love flash, really, but i think Leta's been relaly strong lately.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:29:22
December 16 2008 19:22 GMT
#13
Proleague isn't overrated. It's just "different" from starleagues.

For example, Leta basically played on two maps this season, Harmony and Chipong-Ryeong. You can do this in the PL because you pick the maps. Starleagues is where players show their versatility because of the varied map pool.

Edit: Oh, and as for top terrans, Flash is clear #1 and FBH is a shaky #2. Although ForGG, Fantasy, Sea, and Leta aren't far behind.
Meh
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 19:26 GMT
#14
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
December 16 2008 19:30 GMT
#15
Could anyone see Leta beating Jangi, Best or Stork if they faceoff in the proleagues?
Or would Flash have a better chance against those players?
There's your answer.
I liked Leta's consistency since last season, but he has yet to beat the S-class progamers.
Right now he is doing his job well: beating everyone that I consider decent, but not the elite-tiered players
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
December 16 2008 19:31 GMT
#16
Flash is better in proleague. 3 of his 5 losses came back in October when he was playing horribly.

Flash is obviously better in individual leagues.

How is this even a question?

There are only two people who can even challenge Flash for being better at even one matchup and guess what Leta is not one of them (FBH -> TvZ; Mind -> TvP).
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
December 16 2008 19:32 GMT
#17
On December 17 2008 04:26 Caller wrote:
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO

who sucks balls tvp.
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
December 16 2008 19:32 GMT
#18
in terms of best terran id have to put it in this order

flash>firebathero>sea>sea.really/upmagic>fantasy(overrated)
wraiths go pew pew
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 16 2008 19:36 GMT
#19
Flash is the best terran in the world because he delivers the best results in starleagues. Leta needs to do something in a starleague (finals/championship) to prove he is truly one of the best terran of all time.
hrvatski
Profile Joined November 2008
27 Posts
December 16 2008 19:38 GMT
#20
Mind

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Ok, FBH, too


P.S. I'm not saying Flash, because it's too obvious
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