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On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.
My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat). I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH. I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess. well i don't play fantasy. but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play. football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations.
Football analogies, if Flash is like LT, then Leta is Chris Johnson.
Johnson, the young fresh rookie, has many 1000+ yard seasons ahead of him. This is like Leta.
LT is starting to get old and even though he is the franchise player of the Chargers, will eventually stop performing. This is like Flash.
So at the moment I would pick Leta over Flash for now. But the big leagues (compared to football, playoffs) will be starting soon, this is where we can actually gauge performance.
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On December 17 2008 07:36 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:29 o3.power91 wrote:On December 17 2008 06:25 TarsTarkas wrote:
Why do people think that FBH is better than Mind?
Mind is awesome. FBH is the last Terran to beat Flash. Does that say something? Not really, since it was with BBS.
He's also 3-0 lifetime against Flash... One can question his TvP, but his TvT and TvZ are about as good as it gets.
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at this moment:
-flash
-leta
-fantasy
-sea
-fbh
-mind
so sad for terran these days are the golden days of protoss and the aluminium days of terran
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Meh i just find sc now isn't as hyped no clear dominance or atlest dominance i notice.
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On December 17 2008 07:45 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.
My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat). I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH. I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess. well i don't play fantasy. but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play. football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations. Football analogies, if Flash is like LT, then Leta is Chris Johnson. Johnson, the young fresh rookie, has many 1000+ yard seasons ahead of him. This is like Leta. LT is starting to get old and even though he is the franchise player of the Chargers, will eventually stop performing. This is like Flash. So at the moment I would pick Leta over Flash for now. But the big leagues (compared to football, playoffs) will be starting soon, this is where we can actually gauge performance.
This analogy fails on so many levels it's not even funny.
1. Flash is 16. Leta is 19. So Flash is actually younger.
2. Both Flash and Leta started playing in the "big leagues" about a year and a half ago. So neither has more experience.
3. Leta has played 64 games. Flash has played 177(not even counting his GOM and other invitational appearances). So the importance one is to his team is pretty clear.
The apt football analogy would be LT in his 2nd year vs. a nice change of pace back who only touches the ball 10 times a game but gets pretty good YPC.
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On December 17 2008 07:52 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:45 GTR-2-Go wrote:On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.
My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat). I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH. I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess. well i don't play fantasy. but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play. football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations. Football analogies, if Flash is like LT, then Leta is Chris Johnson. Johnson, the young fresh rookie, has many 1000+ yard seasons ahead of him. This is like Leta. LT is starting to get old and even though he is the franchise player of the Chargers, will eventually stop performing. This is like Flash. So at the moment I would pick Leta over Flash for now. But the big leagues (compared to football, playoffs) will be starting soon, this is where we can actually gauge performance. This analogy fails on so many levels it's not even funny. 1. Flash is 16. Leta is 19. So Flash is actually younger. 2. Both Flash and Leta started playing in the "big leagues" about a year and a half ago. So neither has more experience. 3. Leta has played 64 games. Flash has played 177(not even counting his GOM and other invitational appearances). So the importance one is to his team is pretty clear. The apt football analogy would be LT in his 2nd year vs. a nice change of pace back who only touches the ball 10 times a game but gets pretty good YPC.
i think LT analogy works in terms of name recognition but I think to expect Flash to fall off at the age of 16 is... yeah. it doesn't work. flash might have dropped a bit lately but he's the youngest pro gamer after Baby, right? He's going to adapt and come back stronger than ever, I fully believe this.
but right now, even if Flash is the best terran, he's fallen off a bit... Leta's coming up a bit.. which is why I think Leta might be close to rivaling Flash for best terran
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On December 17 2008 07:45 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.
My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat). I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH. I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess. well i don't play fantasy. but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play. football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations. Football analogies, if Flash is like LT, then Leta is Chris Johnson. Johnson, the young fresh rookie, has many 1000+ yard seasons ahead of him. This is like Leta. LT is starting to get old and even though he is the franchise player of the Chargers, will eventually stop performing. This is like Flash. So at the moment I would pick Leta over Flash for now. But the big leagues (compared to football, playoffs) will be starting soon, this is where we can actually gauge performance. Except that Flash isn't old. He's actually way younger than Leta, and has had actually a really short career, even if your looking at it that way.
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I think Fantasy is very good, so is FBH, except his TvP..
Flash is the best though!
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Whenever Flash starts to "slump" it looks like the kid is just getting bored. I don't think Flash is the best Terran; I think he is the best player period. The kid's a super genius.
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the testimony for tvp isn't best, its jangbi. jangbi by far has the best pvt ever, who else can take flash to a 45 min draw??? i dont see leta beating jangbi, ever. n recently, 11-25, leta just got raped by best anyway, who had pretty unimpressive toss play, losing a couple of arbs here n there. there is no way leta can rival flash right now, especially seeing how last osl flash dropped out to ggplay doing weird builds, n he just came back raping ggplay through msl. to say hes the "top" terran he needs to have raped through some top zergs n tosses, which leta has not done.
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I don't get why people are saying Flash is slumping. One loss to Stork, in a game where he played very well other than not anticipating/reacting properly to Stork's aggressive expanding? Am I missing something else?
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On December 17 2008 07:36 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:29 o3.power91 wrote:On December 17 2008 06:25 TarsTarkas wrote:
Why do people think that FBH is better than Mind?
Mind is awesome. FBH is the last Terran to beat Flash. Does that say something? Not really, since it was with BBS.
It doesn't matter when FBH can play late games vs Flash and still win.
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There's nobody out there as fearsome in Flash right now. Especially in a Bo3 or Bo5, where real skill comes fourth.
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On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:
well i don't play fantasy.
but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play.
football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations.
Future dominance =/= current best.
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i think SkyHigh has a very bright future.
current top three terrans are flash, mind and fbh.
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Most people overlook fOrGG, the only people he's been losing to lately are protosses, and comeon, who hasn't lost to protoss lately?
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Right now ;
Flash >>> Sea >> FBH -_- > Mind = Leta > Fantasy .... so the list goes
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+ Show Spoiler + Most people overlook fOrGG, the only people he's been losing to lately are protosses, and comeon, who hasn't lost to protoss lately?
Flash is called the Dragon Slayer.... Why? Because he can consistently beat the 6 protoss "dragons" - Stork, Bisu, Jangbi, Kal, Best and Free
Flash is the best NO CONTEST!
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lastshadow, his pressure style amazes me like no other.
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On December 17 2008 07:45 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2008 07:04 d_so wrote:On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.
My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat). I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH. I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess. well i don't play fantasy. but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play. football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations. Football analogies, if Flash is like LT, then Leta is Chris Johnson. Johnson, the young fresh rookie, has many 1000+ yard seasons ahead of him. This is like Leta. LT is starting to get old and even though he is the franchise player of the Chargers, will eventually stop performing. This is like Flash. So at the moment I would pick Leta over Flash for now. But the big leagues (compared to football, playoffs) will be starting soon, this is where we can actually gauge performance.
Despite the age thing being backwards, LT also has been sucking for quite a while now. The comparison is silly. Flash is still clearly the best Terran, and will be called such until either Mind plays well for a solid amount of time, or one of Leta/fantasy/sea/FBH/etc wins a starleague.
And I'm saying this about Flash even when he is my least favorite terran out there (beside Shine).
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