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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 21:37:18
December 16 2008 21:31 GMT
#41
I believe Leta has a huge potential. He's getting better and better, and also looks pretty calm/confident. I definitely wouldn't be surprised should he win a starleague in the next few months.

And for the superstitious ones who've read that bonjwa pattern thread, Bisu just won his 3rd MSL and Leta was born in November...
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Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
December 16 2008 21:33 GMT
#42
LEE SUNG EUN!!!!
Firebathero is still the best!
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
December 16 2008 21:35 GMT
#43
he could just be another sea..
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2008 21:44 GMT
#44
On December 17 2008 04:32 Raithed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:26 Caller wrote:
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO

who sucks balls tvp.

6-4 last 10, 3 of which were losses to Bisu. That is NOT "sucks balls".
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
December 16 2008 21:45 GMT
#45
On December 17 2008 05:56 jello_biafra wrote:
(T)Mind is on the rise again. He's gonna take all these suckas out!

I sure hope so, I've been a huge fan of him. I love when he rapes his opponent using pure game sense.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 21:51:13
December 16 2008 21:49 GMT
#46
Leta's good, no doubt about that. Top Terran? Not without any Starleague BoX experience.

These days, being "good" just doesn't cut it. If you want to be the best, you have to be able to perform under pressure, and Leta hasn't shown that.

Top Terran I'd say is still Flash followed closely by FBH.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 21:55:46
December 16 2008 21:55 GMT
#47
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.

My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat).
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51706 Posts
December 16 2008 22:00 GMT
#48
On December 17 2008 06:49 TheYango wrote:
Leta's good, no doubt about that. Top Terran? Not without any Starleague BoX experience.

These days, being "good" just doesn't cut it. If you want to be the best, you have to be able to perform under pressure, and Leta hasn't shown that.

Top Terran I'd say is still Flash followed closely by FBH.


You can't really claim that because Terran's have struggled to make the BoX stages during these times.

Also, what defines pressure? I find Ace matches one of the most high intense pressure matches to play behind Set 5's and PL Finals.

Leta has pretty much won every Ace match this season bar one, check out who he beat too.

PuMa - meh player
Luxury - good player
Really - good player

If he keeps performing the way he is, he is going to have a breakout season similar to what Flash did last year (GOMTV S2/Daum period).
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 16 2008 22:01 GMT
#49
On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.

My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat).


I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH.

I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess.

Meh
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
December 16 2008 22:04 GMT
#50
On December 17 2008 07:01 baubo wrote:
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On December 17 2008 06:55 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Flash is definitely under performing. I can't count him now as a top Terran until he starts winning games 'often' against S-Class players.

My pick for now is Leta, since he has been SUCH a Fantasy beast. We will have to wait until tonight to see if he is actually worth the hype (Sea will be very tough to beat).


I think you just pretty much made the case why Flash is the best terran. He's put on a pedestal that even losing to Stork is someone a minus. OTOH, Leta hasn't beaten a top player since the beginning of the PL season against FBH.

I was wondering why someone would bother to mention Leta of all people for best terran. Now I get it. Fantasy points(arbitrary statistic made for fun) is now a method of judging players I guess.



well i don't play fantasy.

but i think leta is strong. i think PL performance can be an indicator of a player's future dominance, and right now leta is impressing me with his play.

football analogy: Flash is like Tomlinson, Leta is like... who's a good running back right NOW. point being is that one's a good player with a lot of name brand recognition, the other is a lesser known player but performing drastically above expectations.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 16 2008 22:07 GMT
#51
On December 17 2008 04:30 bubblegumbo wrote:
Could anyone see Leta beating Jangi, Best or Stork if they faceoff in the proleagues?
Or would Flash have a better chance against those players?
There's your answer.
I liked Leta's consistency since last season, but he has yet to beat the S-class progamers.
Right now he is doing his job well: beating everyone that I consider decent, but not the elite-tiered players


I don't see Flash beating JangBI and Stork , maybe Best . But he sure as hell got a better chance then Leta does thought .
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4952 Posts
December 16 2008 22:08 GMT
#52
It's Bogus guys, I tell ya.
Complete the cycle!
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
December 16 2008 22:11 GMT
#53
flash ainec
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 16 2008 22:11 GMT
#54
On December 17 2008 06:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:32 Raithed wrote:
On December 17 2008 04:26 Caller wrote:
FIREEEEEEEEEEEEBATTTTTTTTTTTHERROOOOOOOOOOOO

who sucks balls tvp.

6-4 last 10, 3 of which were losses to Bisu. That is NOT "sucks balls".


I'll consider FBH decent in TvP if he beats an above average toss in Bo 3 series . And yes tempest is not above average ...
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
December 16 2008 22:14 GMT
#55
On December 17 2008 05:38 Zozma wrote:
Flash is an example of someone who is only doing well in Proleague right now, correct? And if you say that we have to wait for the next Starleague season before we can say that, I'd like to say the same thing about Leta.

If you just watch this Starleague season, the answer will become clear.


By the way, why does everyone hate Really? I think he's pretty good...


No not correct, offlines have alredy started and flash is still in both leauges

Flash as of late has been tearing through all the leauges so id have to give him that no.1 spot but its followed close by alot of other terrans

1. Flash
2. Mind
3. Sea
4. FBH
5. Leta
6. Forgg
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 16 2008 22:15 GMT
#56
I love Leta. He's the largest reason I have the little OGN flag. However, there's no way he's the top Terran right now. Flash has proven himself in starleagues and has been doing well in PL, while Leta has only done the second.

Not only that, but how good his TvZ is is still unclear(he beat Lux with 2port wraiths, and used 3port wraiths to give himself a large advantage against GGplay). For TvP, although he beat Kal twice, Best, and Bisu last season, all he's done this season is lose to Best, get proxy-gated by Backho, and bash some mediocre protosses.

With FBH suddenly improving his TvP and Mind playing better, I think that number 2 terran is a close competition between FBH, Mind, and Leta.

Number one, though? Maybe in a month or two. Right now? no way, sadly.
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Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
December 16 2008 22:16 GMT
#57
Flash
Barbarne
Profile Joined August 2007
Sweden458 Posts
December 16 2008 22:24 GMT
#58
I'd say that Leta has the best TvT right now. Please don't just read the words "leta beat really", watch the game. You'll see that leta won versus really despite getting far behind early because of the build orders (14cc >> 1fac exp). That's impressive. And those of you who think that winning versus really is something to scoff at haven't been paying attention lately. Also he won versus hwasin after being quite a lot behind at the start and still coming through in spectacular fashion.

His TvP is stylish and sometimes godlike, but he sometimes makes mistakes he shouldn't. Like his game versus stats. Sure he won, but it was not a clean victory against such a (currently) low tier protoss.

His biggest problem is his TvZ. But I think that as long as he can prepare some cute strategys ahead of time (like Leta vs GGplay) or surprise his opponent (luxury vs leta) I think he could beat most zergs in boX on a good day.

He's not the best overall, but who is? I could not possibly say, since FBH's TvP isn't near champion level, and Flash is deep in a rut in TvZ as well as TvP (sure he plays nice games, but he's still doing his outdated double armory strat). Mind is looking better again, but not good enough (yet at least), fantasy is kind of meh as a lot of his PL games has proven, really has loads of potential, and skyhigh looks like he might be able to do what iris could not.

All the terrans are good at different things, and it's all about who (or what race) you're playing against.

A lot is happening in the terran camp, and a new top dog is probably going to be crowned pretty soon, it's imposible to say who though, but Leta is my pick. + Show Spoiler +
but that could just be fanboyism : )
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 22:36:15
December 16 2008 22:29 GMT
#59
On December 17 2008 06:25 TarsTarkas wrote:
Why do people think that FBH is better than Mind?

Mind is awesome.

FBH is the last Terran to beat Flash. Does that say something?

TvT FBH > Mind
TvZ FBH > Mind
TvP FBH < Mind

In this era, the better P killer will get farther in starleagues i guess...
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 16 2008 22:36 GMT
#60
On December 17 2008 07:29 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 06:25 TarsTarkas wrote:
Why do people think that FBH is better than Mind?

Mind is awesome.

FBH is the last Terran to beat Flash. Does that say something?

Not really, since it was with BBS.
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