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i was in the previous two games -_- and was bodyguard for both of them LOL
TL Mafia 3 [Night 5]
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(((i guess im too late T_T if not pls put me in i was in the previous two games -_- and was bodyguard for both of them LOL | ||
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On November 01 2008 22:25 Falcynn wrote: omg awesome! According to that I've figured out who mafia are. It's 16. Empyrean 28. MidnightGladius 9. MTF 48. Mandalor (again!) 6. Xcetron 8. Mickeymoo 12. Caller 48. Mandalor (he's listed twice somehow so this must make him double mafia) 27. Ace (what? NOOOOOOOOO) 11. wurm On November 01 2008 22:32 Plexa wrote: my mafia list: 18. RtS)Night[Mare 6. XCetron 26. iNfuNdiBuLuM 8. mikeymoo 7. BloodyC0bbler 12. Caller 5. Camlito 28. MidnightGladius 36. ulszz 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 4 overlap! they must be true mafia On November 01 2008 23:12 Lenwe wrote: 12. Caller 2. fusionsdf 10. clazziquai 45. FakeSteve[TPR] 24. bumatlarge 26. iNfuNdiBuLuM 13. Chezinu 38. Amber[LighT] 42. ZBiR 27. Ace Oh woow, Caller is listed at all three the lists, he must be mafia! T_T | ||
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Vote for me because I'm sick of being bodyguard and this is the one way I'll have a 100% chance of avoiding said position. Also I has experience pls? Although there are like 10 other better candidates that I can think of on the top of my head without glossing over roles and whatnot. edit b/c bold hates me | ||
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9. MTF (weak) [The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out.] "Making the first public mafia lynch will inspire hope in everyone while striking fear into the mafia was the reasoning behind this", stated the Governor 16: Fusionsdf: (weak) “In school, I was the kid who sat in the back of the class and hid behind his book, the one you felt bad for, but not bad enough to do something. People always told me, "Jack, you need to smile more." Perhaps I was a bit on the sulky side, but was it any of their business whether I smiled or not? Well one day, these kids invite me to a party. Of course, I'm ecstatic. Well, being my first time at a party, it's my first time drinking. Long story short... I pass out. And wake up in the emergency room. My face is burning, and it turns out that they really did just want to see me smile. One of those ass holes decided to draw on my face with a permanent marker, and I had a pretty severe allergy to some of the things in those markers. But now, at least nobody has to remind me to smile.” Many in the crowd were excessively enthusiastic about the lynching and many were grave and quiet. 18. RtS)Night[Mare(very weak) Pain makes one suffer. Suffering makes one think. Thinking makes one wise. And Wisdom makes life bearable. Pleading for someone to review the evidence he claimed his innocence as he was pushed further on 21. SoleSteeler(weak) Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold A few people didn't know what was going on but a riot broke out quickly. 22. aZnvaLiaNce (weak to moderate) "Whoever wins, the battle does not end. The loser is set free from the battlefield, while the winner must remain there. And the survivor will live out his life as the warrior until the day he dies." -Big Boss aka Naked Snake "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch 28. MidnightGladius (weak) ["It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General] "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch 34. Scorch (weak) What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy. the general anarachist theme of this entire day 43. Plexa (weak) [~ Spirit will set you free ~ Pusan fighting!] "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch 48. Mandalor (really weak) No reason at all other than he’s suspicious and not talking as usual, just like in the other game. Hmmdehmm…. | ||
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On November 03 2008 00:36 Plexa wrote: Carrying on with the "last meal" train of thought (which i think is pretty solid) leads to Caller entering the spotlight. "NO IM KAWAIIRICE" could easily be extrapolated to the idea of a last meal without bending things too much (similar to mafia clues last game). Obviously if we see clues in the future relating to cuteness or food caller definitely needs to be examined closer wait wha while the clue is pretty solid the connection is a bit of a stretch. Just because I have the word rice in my profile (as part of a username, nonetheless) doesn't mean a meal necessarily. This is like the phone clues, just because there's a telephone doesn't mean that I'm the "caller." | ||
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On November 03 2008 01:21 Falcynn wrote: I'm pretty sure they can, but that's irrelevant. I'll give an example of what I mean. Mafia1 claims to be veteran. Mafia2 claims to be a detective who role checked Mafia1 and found out the he's mafia. The town rallies to lynch Mafia1, he turns up red and the town assumes that Mafia2 must be a detective since he was right. Do you see how that can be dangerous? Even the inverse is possible. If we lynch Mafia2, we assume Mafia1 is innocent as Mafia2 turns up red. although i would think with a lot of clues it'd be easy to tell if someone really is innocent or not. | ||
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On the other hand if the DT is a fake they'll either reveal themselves really easily or end up sacrificing a mafia to keep the illusion alive for one more turn. | ||
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On November 03 2008 01:33 Ace wrote: @caller: we cant do that yet. We dont know if the DT giving us the vote check is innocent. If the mafia leave the innocent DT alive how is that much better than the mafia DT living too? With 2 differing accounts or possibly even more we dont know. Even worse if the real DT LIVES we cant trust their list yet. On the contrary, if they let the DT live we order him/her to do a role check of somone and announce it. Then we see if that person confirms said role (unless its mafiaso) If they deny role, lynch the dt. On the other hand, if the person in question flips mafiaso, lynch that person and see how they flip: a positive mafiaso means we keep telling the "DT" to do role checks and list checks: if we get this "DT" and a real DT to do the same list check, even the implied threat (whether or not one will actually get done) will force the "DT" to reveal him/herself as a mafiaso, or to provide the real list (regardless of real identity) and voila, free information. This continues until the "DT" gets killed by mafia or he decides to flip mafia after immolating too many of his brethren in the process. We can do this through ordering people to vote for certain candidates. Now what if a fake DT gets lucky with the role and the other person confirms? Quite simple: if that person survives the next night, check the real dt's affiliation. See results below. What if the DT finds a special role? That's a risk we'll unfortunately have to take: however, during this time, if that person is legit (which we can prove by below) we can send that person all sorts of information and that person can organize it, etc. What if the DT and the person in question are both mafia and they collude to a role? A DT should at this point check affiliation of DT. If they are both mafia, voila 2 dead for a DT. If the 2nd DT is a fake, we lynch the other person and upon the flip green/blue the 2nd DT. If the mafia decide to get sneakier it'll be at the cost of two mafiaso to protect one temporarily, along with some junk information that they'll sprout anyways. | ||
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On November 03 2008 02:02 Ace wrote: caller: how do you pick the person to "confirm" and who are they confirming with? What you are advocating doesn't use self checking and calls for large leaps of trust and A LOT of DT checks. Maybe I'm reading it wrong? Scenario: Bob is a detective. John is a medic. Rob is a detective/jack. Bob checks John as a medic. He says John is a medic. John confirms he is a medic. Rob checks Bob's identity after John states he is a medic. Nobody says anything else. Bob and/or John can now get/give lists with impunity. Second Scenario: Bob is a mafia John is a medic Rob is a detective/jack. Bob claims to check John and says he is a townie. John says that Bob is a dirty liar. We lynch Bob, he turns out red. 3) Bob is a mafia John is a medic Rob is a detective/jack. Bob claims to check John and says he is a medic. John confirms he is a medic. Do not protect the DT. Next day we get Bob to do a listcheck. Bob is forced to give us the correct list or else we lynch him. Rob may or may not do the listcheck also, and if theres a conflict we lynch bob. repeat repeat repeat 4) Bob is a DT OR mafia John is a mafia Rob is a dt/jack Bob claims John is mafia we lynch john if john isn't mafia we lynch bob next turn 5) i'm a bit confused now lol | ||
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sharif dont like it rock the casbah rock the casbah sharif dont like it rock the casbah rock the casbah Fight the man! Overthrow authority! Don't Trust Nobody but Yourself! ANARCHY (A) | ||
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On November 03 2008 14:40 Ace wrote: Alventenie your thinking assumes mafia are 100% stupid. Mafia wouldn't kill Folca tonight. Leaving him alive forces the town to lynch him tomorrow. Whether he gets a role check in again or a vote check in again means nothing if there are only two lists to check. So you'd actually just be starting from scratch, and taking chances on decaf's unfulfilled clue. Thats the problem people have - your long term plan isn't really long term. You HAVE to lynch Folca tomorrow anyway and he can't do a vote check when he's dead can he? So you might as well go the sure fire route and lynch him today because between me and him, you KNOW one of us is mafia. incorrect: by not lynching folca today, if he is DT then we can ask him to do another role check of a completely unrelated person and report to us if he is townie or not (not role). Then the person can confirm whether or not and we lynch Folca anyways. Depending on what Folca turns we can now have up to 3 lynch suspects. Or we could just get him to do a list check, which he will have to make public regardless of affiliation, as it is very easy to confirm what is correct and what is not. By lynching folca today we are losing a hit to the mafia at worst and an additional suspect/list check at best. edit: changing vote to decafchicken based on alventenie's and empyrean's suggestions | ||
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On November 03 2008 15:28 MTF wrote: I honestly don't see what the current debate is about. Decaf is not a sure lynch. The case against him is based off of the very first set of clues, which are extremely malleable at best. Cluework is based off of recurring patterns, not one single set of things. On the other hand, Folca has come forward saying he's a detective, and claims that Ace is mafia. Whether or not this is true, we know that one of them is Mafia now. So, clearly our choice should be to pick between these two tonight - either way, we get a confirmed Mafia, which is huge for our first night. Since the act of revealing your crucial role as a detective this early is more than a little on the foolish side, I'm going with Folca. If it turns out he's telling the truth then he would've died by Mafia's hands anyway for revealing his role, and we can go after Ace. I vote to lynch Folca. i disagree heavily if mafia kills him tonight thats one hit that's not going to another townie. If not then we have another round of events, during which Folca can "DT" someone. Depending on what the end result is we can get more info regardless of whether folca is blue or mafiaso. We have two in the bush already. We might as well get a chance at the third and having nothing to lose. | ||
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then we essentially can extort information out of him. also we can lynch him then anyways. i dunno though. ace's reaction on this seemed funny. | ||
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On November 03 2008 17:15 fanatacist wrote: I abstain from voting. Too many bullets being fired in a glass house, breaking pretty windows T_T On November 03 2008 17:19 Mandalor wrote: Did Folca use his second role check already? I've read through the last pages, but probably missed it. If you haven't, I suggest checking either nemY or SoleSteeler. It really only is a gut feeling I have, but first of all they posted the exact same things: "I abstain, because I don't have a clue. Good Luck to the town blah blah." Sort of. It's the exact same thing 80% of us mafia did at the beginning of the last game before we had a plan. I vote to lynch Folca, for now. LOL also aznvaliance i note you just suddenly voted for folca randomly. This is the first time you've even bothered posting something in this thread lol, not to mention you're also a suspect, and it seems like you're just part of the mafia bandwagon that always follows a lynch of a possible person. Not to mention with so many people voting Folca it is diluting the pool of mafiasos out of townies. That long chain of voting for Folca is really fucking suspicious. | ||
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On November 03 2008 23:37 Ace wrote: how the hell is Folca useful if he's mafia? None of you can tell me WHY you believe Folca is a legit DT. Have you a found a clue that points to me? no Have you found out a way to see if Folca is legit? no And logic dictates that if anyone steps up as a DT and accuses someone and their validity can't be proven then they get lynched because otherwise mafia will always fake claim DT with no consequence. You guys are making no sense and you know it. It's like no matter what the best possible move is the plan is to lynch decaf. Quite simple: if Folca is mafia, he is either lying or telling the truth about you being mafia. Now why would they target you here if they were lying? Because you were a good leader for the town last game. Speaking of which, there is a clue that sort of points to you, the part where they mention how we can't trust any mayor or governor or authority. You were the mayor last game, no? Anyways here's how I see it. At this point in time there is about a 50-50 chance that Folca is a DT or Mafiaso. His coming out is suspicious but I see no clues related to him here. By accusing you, there are one of three possibilities. 1) He's telling the truth as a DT 2) He's telling the truth as a mafiaso 3) He's lying as a mafiaso which is a 2 in 3 chance. If we let him live tonight. if he is a mafiaso he will live, if he is a DT he may or may not get killed by the mafiaso. If he does, that not only proves his statement but also places big red marks on midnight gladius and certain other people. So we would have 1 and most likely 2 mafiaso. If he doesn't die tonight, we can ask him to do a role check of someone else and reveal it and see if they confirm this role. Then having used up powers he may or may not have, we lynch him to see if he's telling the truth. If he's lying well we have a mafia in the bush. If not, now we get one person proven innocent or two/three/four proven mafiaso. by your way of just killing him now, if he turns up blue hes telling the truth and we lynch you and maybe midnight glaidus. if he turns up red we don't prove anything. So under the above scenario, we have either: 1 dead dt, 2 dead mafiaso, one less person dead during the night 1 dead dt, 3-4 dead mafiaso 1 dead dt, 2-3 dead mafiaso, one proven townie. 1 dead proven mafia and two potentials. whereas under your strategy we have 1 dead dt, 2 dead mafiaso or 1 dead proven mafia and two potentials. i like the top one better i dunno. | ||
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On November 03 2008 23:59 Ace wrote: There's more than 3 possibilities so it's not that simple. 4.) Folca is lying about being a DT, but is a normal townie used as a front by a legit DT 5.) Folca is lying about being a DT, but is being used by a fake DT mafia to get me lynched 6.) same as 6, but I'm mafia and it's just a super scheme The one thing about it is you can't call the motivation for it. You just don't know. The one standard is you HAVE to lynch the guy who is accusing because we can't PROVE he is a DT. If you lynch me and when I flip green, you lynch him who do you think won out? All of you keep looking at one side of the equation but conveniently ignore the other. And not a single one of you can tell me why he is a DT besides the same excuse " what reason does he have to lie?" By that very train of logic don't you think mafia would do it then? Next, the issue of "these other alleged mafia". Just because someone says they are a DT it does not mean any analysis or guesswork they do becomes credible. Unless they explicitly say they've investigated someone then it isn't a fact. How can four people miss this? The votes to lynch Folca are not what's suspicious around here, it's you guys. i don't think folca is lying as a green here. Otherwise wouldn't have have said he was representing, seeing as that way he would still get interesting information, et. al? we're not lynching you yet. We will lynch Folca tomorrow if he's still alive before hand. Half of your argument is just rhetoric that seeks to confuse issues (which is suspicious enough in itself). We are still lynching Folca first before we lynch you if at all. Although your very spirited defense of decafchicken is also interesting. Because if decaf flips red this could have very interesting applications. Lynching folca today is just a bad idea on so many levels. It's better to have a 1/5 chance of getting another mafia than worrying about one in the hand. who knows the mafia might take care of our problem for us. And if anything that long rapid chain of votes for folca is really suspicious especially b/c half of them are based on bs reasoning or none at all, as well as people loosely connected to the clues. | ||
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On November 04 2008 04:30 bumatlarge wrote: If we left him alive, and mafia didn't kill him, they still could use that to throw suspicion on him. In fact, that's what I would do if I were mafia. We have to lynch him eventually. If he's blue, well he would be a dead blue anyway. yeah, we're lynching him TOMORROW. EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN: Lynch Folca Tomorrow. IF he is mafia, he cannot do any more damage. IF he isn't mafia, at least he can take another hit for some other townie tonight. If they don't hit him, we get another role check or something from him, no? Please please please understand this. | ||
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