• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:53
CEST 07:53
KST 14:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature3Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris18Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion BW AKA finder tool Maps with Neutral Command Centers Victoria gamers
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro24 Group A [ASL20] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
"World Leading Blockchain Asset Retrieval" The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3282 users

Ambition - Behind the Scenes

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-01 07:06:27
April 01 2008 06:21 GMT
#1
In the spirit of April Fools Day, here's an insight into the twisted minds of the Men in Red.

(All dates are US time)

March 10th-13th
The day after the third TL Attack, we started discussing the idea of a Starleague. By the 13th we had most of the details worked out (TL staff + proper motivation = holy crap).

In the comments of Plexa's Ambition FE. Chill described some of the discussion that went on in those first few days:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 01 2008 01:31 Chill wrote:
The staff put a lot of thought into the format. I'll walk you through the thought process so hopefully you can agree with us that it will work out well.

Everyone agreed we want a lot of known names in the finals. They are consistent (that's why they are known) and will provide exciting games in the final rounds of the TSL. Our goal then became coming up with a format that rewarded consistency, while having a realistic time frame.

We also fought to make sure anyone can play. This is very important in the spirit of competition and legitimacy as a foreign league. Can you imagine the OSL being invite only? It cheapens competition by adding an arbitrary amount of invitations. In the end, we decided to search for a format that is open to everyone, but rewards consistent play. I think that's why the TSL is so exciting, it's not the same 16 players you see in every league. If some unknown players or underdogs scrape their way into the top 48, that's great! I'll be cheering for them.

In having a league that's open to everyone, there are only two formats to use: Tournament and ladder. Given that there's about 1000 people signed up in 24 hours for the ICC team, running a tournament would be a logistical nightmare. So we planned a ladder.

Here is why a ladder rewards the best players. Let's assume you are going to play infinite games with a 50% win percentage, which any number of unknown foreign players could do. Once you hit A-, you lose 130 points for every game you lose, while you gain 130 for playing on MotW. Weaker players with 50% win percentages will get stuck at this point. Even if they have a slightly higher win percentage, say 55%, they will be getting so few points that stronger players should be able to get passed them during the pivotal final week. This is also helped by the shorter time frame. If the ladder was 3 months, someone could grind to Olympic Rank 10 points at a time; however, with a 3 week time frame there just isn't enough time for weaker players to achieve a rank they don't deserve.

Next we needed to solve the problem of rewarding the #1 player, to prevent people getting to #32 and then stagnating. We played with the idea of seeding, but there wasn't enough reward to warrant grinding up the last 32 places. This is why the top 16 get a bye, it gives you a reason to continue climbing the ladder even once you've secured a qualifying position.

You'll notice everything is best of 3. LDT2 is double elimination. This stops one-build wonders and all-ins from being as effective. It rewards solid play. It allows strong players who have one weaker matchup to have a better chance of getting through.

And after all that, there will be 16 solid players in the TSL.


Hot_Bid wanted to start the timer immediately, more for motivating the staff than for generating hype. So the next day PoP set the timer for noon on the 30th, EDT. I think it was originally supposed to be some other time, but time zones are so darned confusing.

We had an actual deadline now; if the timer expired and we had nothing to show for it, we'd all be burned at the stake.


March 14th
Reading the first timer discussion thread, we realized the 31st was the 10 year anniversary of Starcraft's release. The first of several convenient coincidences (and the reason for the "EE HAN TIMING" calendar message). The Starleague music lyrics were probably the biggest clue of all.

On the 14th we were discussing maps, so FA suggested a poll. (In the end we decided to stick with current maps anyway, despite our affinities for old school favorites. <3 RoV)

March 14th, 10pm
The enigmatic ConJonner makes his first post.


March 16th, 2pm
The first hype image goes up. The hype images were all pretty subtle, just lots of star references.

[image loading]

"Destiny", by pachi (from the "Ambition" news post)

One bright star that stands out among the rest. Also, the stars form a constellation:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Good catch, LTT!

March 16th, 8pm
Mani (I think) is a jerk, and puts up this poll, as well as posting:

I happen to know for a FACT, that there is a certain organization in Korea which is looking to form a new proteam. Could it be the same organization which recently sponsored a huge invitational tournament and have English casters? Could it be the same organization which I just recently interviewed, and they said they wanted more English content?
you know.


March 16th, ~10pm:
[image loading]

"Ambition - Reach for the Stars", by alffla

Hot_Bid wanted to hide this somewhere where it would be found fairly quickly. I make a little page for it and linked it in the bottom image on the right sidebar, but HB was convinced it wouldn't be found. I think the MSN conversation says it all:

+ Show Spoiler +
[21:53] Sonuvbob: link is up
[21:53] Sonuvbob: i give itw like 24 hrs to find it
[boring stuff removed]
[21:55] Hot_Bid: i would point the top right white to it for now
[21:55] Hot_Bid: then change it to something else for later
[21:55] Hot_Bid: i dont think someone will find it
[21:55] Hot_Bid: the bar
[21:56] Sonuvbob: you underestimate tl's free time =P
[21:56] Sonuvbob: it's right above the timer too
[21:57] Hot_Bid: [21:56] <dronebabo> http://teamliquid.net/questionmark.html
[21:56] <IntoTheWow> OPMG
[21:56] <IntoTheWow> how did you do that
[21:56] <IntoTheWow> dronebabo
[21:56] <zulu_nation8> dual skadi qop + guinsoo
[21:56] <dronebabo> the secret button
[21:56] <dronebabo> the secret button does something!!!
[21:56] <IntoTheWow> where is it
[21:56] <dronebabo>
[21:57] Hot_Bid: like 2 minutes
[21:57] Sonuvbob: rofl
[21:57] Hot_Bid: LOL
[21:57] Hot_Bid: WTFFFF


March 17th:
Hot_Bid requests a new image to be hidden.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"The Greatest Show on Earth" aka "Pink Monday", by pachi


Being part notpron fan, part asshole, I made the previous image an image map with 1 pixel (199,299) pointing to the correct page. I figured I'd increase the area every few hours to make sure it was seen within a couple days. As it turned out, I didn't need to. That night, LTT wrote a script to check every pixel on the image. Conveniently, he PM'd be on IRC with updates on his plan.

Hot_Bid and Mani added some vague hints ('100 makes all the difference' and the 498 user). 498 was the sum of the pixel coordinates (199+299), and obviously a reference to SC's release date in April 1998. Or a complete coincidence, either one.

Somewhere around this time HB tried adding some hints to old calendar entries. But apparently there's a bug with editing events, where the form defaults to the current year instead of the event's year. HB didn't notice, so some old events randomly showed up in the March 08 calendar and were quickly deleted. This confused pretty much everyone, including HB.

Around the same time, this poll went up. As Yubee and Kennigit aren't exactly popular around here, I had to rig the poll a little bit. I starting adding 5 votes at a time, then 20, then 50, and culminated in adding about 500 right before LTT's script found the showmatch pic.


March 18th
I was expecting to wake up to an angry mob, but apparently my math sucks, and LTT's script didn't find the right pixel until about 2pm (coincidentally about 3 minutes after Hot_Bid reminded me about it).

Surprisingly, even after he posted the link people were more confused than angry.

Later that day ConJonner made another 5 posts, as well as a B.net account. Several other TL members tried to get in on the action, but were quickly revealed as fakes.

Kennigit manages to accidentally delete the ONE correct guess on all of TL. Way to go, Kennigit.

It was getting a little too crazy, so we decided to take a break from the hype until TL Attack.


March 23th
Yubee's hype video was shown on the fourth episode of TL Attack, and HB posted another vague image.



[image loading]

310308, by pachi.

pheer reveals it to be the work of reptilians.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and LTT formulates some kind of crazy red carpet/camera conspiracy.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


IntoTheWow reveals that he is 'JonConner', but no one seems to care.


March 24th-25th
A week before, that sicko Hot_Bid came up with a new fake idea: expanding our coverage to other games. After another red herring poll went up, Xeo provided us with this sexy image:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

and we set to work creating wc3.teamliquid.net. By the next day we had a full wc3 layout: http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/SonuvBob/tlwc3/ (all images by Xeo)

But we had no idea how to leak it. Eventually I thought I had a foolproof plan: I put the image in the topic of our staff IRC channel, and had LastRomantic 'accidentally' leak the password. IntoTheWow quickly hopped in and said hi, and I kicked him a minute or two later. Annnnd he never looked at the topic.

So eventually Mani leaked it on gg.net, and since no one found wc3.teamliquid.net in the first hour, impatient HB had someone post that there too. Oddly enough, no one bought it.


March 27th
[image loading]

"Discipline", by pachi (from the "Determination" news post)

Three days left. We stop giving clues/red herrings, and start openly taunting people.


March 30th, 9:30am
T-2.5 hours. Mani is a jerk.


March 30th, 12pm
News post goes up. Several of us post "APRIL FOOLS" in IRC and on the forums.


tl;dr: We're all jerks. Enjoy your Starleague.

P.S. Our graphics team is AWESOME

[image loading]

"Marine", by alffla

[image loading]

"Zerg Base", by SigrUn

[image loading]

"Dance Dance Dragoon", by d.arkive

[image loading]

"Mutalisk", by alffla
Administrator
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
April 01 2008 06:24 GMT
#2
wc3.teamliquid.net FOR LYFE
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
April 01 2008 06:27 GMT
#3
Hooray. Thanks for all the work put into the hype as well as TSL. It was just as much fun trying to figure it out as it was when the revelation finally came.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
April 01 2008 06:30 GMT
#4
so epic
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-01 06:35:03
April 01 2008 06:33 GMT
#5
you really got my hopes up with the wc3 coverage, then gave us some BS ladder. I DONT WANT 5K I WANT WC3

edit: jk i love you all <3
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ConJonner
Profile Joined March 2008
8 Posts
April 01 2008 06:36 GMT
#6
Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
April 01 2008 06:36 GMT
#7
Very well planned and fun hype, gj.
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
April 01 2008 06:43 GMT
#8
On April 01 2008 15:36 ConJonner wrote:


Oh, you shush!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
April 01 2008 06:44 GMT
#9
Hahah, I got into the "staff irc" but was helping someone via query. So i leave the tab open after entering and started chatting with this guy, then irc flashes and shows i was kicked. I tried to check topic via logs, but as this is not my pc, auto-log saving was turned off.

LR even asked me if i could check the topic, but i told him i couldn't get it. I didn't try to enter again since password was leaked and i though Bob would have changed it by then!

:p

Was fun to look for it.

I was not JonConner btw, I think it was dronebabo
Moderator<:3-/-<
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
April 01 2008 06:45 GMT
#10
(13:22:31) (@IntoTheWow) dronebabo
(13:22:35) (@IntoTheWow) are you ConJonner
(13:22:40) (@IntoTheWow) this is treason
(13:23:17) —› join: (betrayal) (~betrayal@p54B571B6.dip.t-dialin.net)
(13:23:49) (@IntoTheWow) lol
(13:23:53) (@IntoTheWow) how apropiate
(13:24:07) (Harem) rofl
(13:24:12) (Harem) EE HAN TIMING
Moderator<:3-/-<
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 01 2008 06:49 GMT
#11
nice
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
April 01 2008 06:51 GMT
#12
lol @ dronebabo's 2 minute catch

iirc the secret button used to just refer to teamliquid.net? so i would sometimes click it for fun
Hates Fun🤔
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-01 06:53:12
April 01 2008 06:53 GMT
#13
I remember the button working for something else, I think it was Final Edits or Blogs

edit: before they were released.
Moderator<:3-/-<
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
April 01 2008 06:55 GMT
#14
i like alffa's work!
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-01 07:20:05
April 01 2008 07:00 GMT
#15
Great great writeup. I will always remember that hype time as one of the most exciting and reckless on TL.

However, I am definitely not a jerk. That proteam captain poll was so art, it threw off so many people. I laughed so hard.

I suggest that the secret button to the ambition pic be put back in place for all time, including the coordinates and the ken vs yubee pic as a memorial for this occasion. Then, all current members make a pact to never disclose what it is about to new members.
ModeratorGodfather
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
April 01 2008 07:11 GMT
#16
god this is really funny

I fail at leaking shit
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
April 01 2008 08:18 GMT
#17
I'm a big fan of SonuvBob
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 01 2008 08:24 GMT
#18
Not just your graphics team is great, you all are.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 01 2008 08:36 GMT
#19
I enjoyed that sir thanks you
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16991 Posts
April 01 2008 10:27 GMT
#20
This totally wins :D
Moderator
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 79
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 255
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4487
actioN 2328
ggaemo 1052
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm120
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 770
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K642
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0351
Other Games
summit1g7556
shahzam993
singsing886
ViBE237
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick678
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 72
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo943
• Stunt287
• Jankos123
• HappyZerGling69
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
4h 7m
SC Evo League
6h 7m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
7h 7m
Classic vs Percival
Spirit vs NightMare
CSO Cup
10h 7m
[BSL 2025] Weekly
12h 7m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
SC Evo League
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Cosmonarchy
6 days
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSLAN 3
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.