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On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: Sure. c: One more /in. This is what is going to happen this game: 1. I will roll town. 2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!" 3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry. 4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel. 5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation. 6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him. 7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk. 8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus : 9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die. You clearly have an agenda. FoS: NeverUnlucky | ||
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On October 31 2016 20:49 cakepie wrote: Coaches are good for much more than just mechanics! Okay. | ||
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On October 31 2016 21:33 Shapelog wrote: Actually, all he has done, is back himself in a corner with you if he is scum. See number 4 states that he will have a good read on you, in the case that you tunnel. If no such read was to come, or a crappy one, then he would look less credible. Perhaps, you could argue that 6 could set up a possible scum read for him (if people keep scum reading him) but that is weak. He also is forced in this to read the "One town with a weird entry" as town, due to wording. Which is bad for scum, as it knocks off a ML for day 1 at least. In fact, the only way this benefits scum is if the person to make the weird entry is scum buddies, which is a high risk, low reward (a weak reason to TR at most) move IMO The rest of it is unpredictable and useless, since it revolves on other players doing it. Sorry, regaining my mafia mindset. EDIT: He also would have to point out the case is weak too due to #8 and make reads accordly. I just wanted to stir up conversation. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote: Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push. Discredit noted. Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:21 Calix wrote: And as a side note, how is being tryhard a scum tell? Because you're looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of being scum where no scum motive is present. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:33 Calix wrote: You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion. Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so. I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question. No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world. It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town. Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push. Not the same thing. If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place. Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates. I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:40 Calix wrote: Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him. My fault, it is NU that voted for them. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:38 Calix wrote: Incorrect. Pro-scum behaviour is something that ONLY scum are capable of doing. Town never act in pro-scum ways (short of game-throwing which isn't 'playing' the game anyway) because they are town and their actions are, in their own way, working towards their wincon of finding and eliminating scum. Anti-town behaviour is only detrimental to town and is done by both alignments. (e.g., shit-posting) Incorrect. Pro-scum is anything that actively helps scum and can be done by either alignment. Village idiots are often pro-scum as well as anti-town. Anti-town hinders town, but does not actively help scum. Creating noise in the game thread is pro-scum because it actively helps scum hide or gives them an excuse to lay low. Pushing for a lynch on moonlogic grounds is anti-town because that moonlogic lynch might be on either scum or town. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote: @Foreman Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU? Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there? The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote: Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear. Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how? Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:20 Calix wrote: Why do I need to 'acquit myself' for you to take my NU case seriously? You either agree with it or you don't. My 'credibility' has nothing to do with wherever you think I make valid points on NU. Poor reaction from you. Lol whatever dude. I'm not wasting my time humoring scum, and right now that's what you are to me. If you want me to take you seriously, I suggest you take me seriously. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:22 mahrgell wrote: Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion. Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me. Because scum has every reason to make bad pushes on town. Unless I'm convinced that I'm wrong on Calix, I'm not getting invested in his pushes. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:24 Calix wrote: Ah, it's the MS classic of "you're totally scum so I'm ignoring everything you say" shtick. How anyone has such a strong read that they are willing to dismiss everything that I say post-scum-read with less than 200 posts in the entire thread is beyond me. So do explain, how have you concluded that I'm so scummy this early on? You've yet to address any of my points against you with anything but hand-waving. My case did not hinge on your vote, so that correction was a minor note, not a read changer. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:31 mahrgell wrote: Well... So you refuse to answer me, because I share points with Calix on this issue? So I'm now scum by association for you? Doing that after posting large paragraphs about "what kind of behaviour is protown"? No... Your "points" were "read Calix points". I'm not interested in his push until he does more than handwave and discredit me, and you echoing him doesn't change that. If you want to sheep his push, then whatever. But don't act like you are being original here. | ||
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What do you make of his sheeping and buddying? | ||
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