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ehhhh I'll /in, especially as Holy Guardians looks to be wrapping up (one way or another!)
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Okay, so I'd like to be town with ritoky again this time, except that he doesn't get NKed N1. Think we can manage that people?
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Bill Murray - famous for being the ml in the epic guide to mafia post stickied above. It will be a pleasure to play with you.
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Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
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Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
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*obs, not ins (stupid autocorrect)
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You're also shit posting less as well, but I'd say that's town indicative too. I think you realised that our d1 in HG was basically wasted for a bunch of different reasons, but one was that you were our strongest townie and didn't get as much content into the thread as you would have wanted. Your style of reads this time is the same as it was EOD1, when you started to get shit noticed (though you were super wrong about milo :-p).
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@RS I played with ritoky, NHM, Damdred, Onegu and GB was the moderator. As I said, there's not a ton to go on yet, but so far NHM seems a bit more free and easy this game. Last game he just kept posting these short, relatively light posts and then disappearing into obscurity for days at a time. It was tough to get a read because he didn't have enough meaningful activity to go on. Damdred led a ML on our only blue, and seems to be posting a little more polished than last time, where I recall he just fired stuff out left right and centre. Ritoky seems identical, save that as I said he's skipped the trolling stage this time around.
I remember that ritoky and Damdred both claim to be able to "soul read" each other. Really interested to see if either of them agree with what I've posted about the other.
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@shock I have this terrible habit of taking my phone to bed and reading the forums when I should be sleeping. I wanted to get something into the thread so that I wasn't totally afk, but then people started saying things I actually had thoughts about, so now I'm hammering away on my phone.
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@shock in the last game a lot of people (including me) called Damdred out for not making too many reads or being too 'wishy-washy'. He was town. I'd say his play so far is pretty much the same as last time, albeit that as I said he seems a tad more polished. That could def be more of a reaction to getting so much flak last time.
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@damdred well since you nearly carried town to victory in HG maybe I should start respecting the 'wishy-washy' style :-)
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@GB I realise this is sort of inviting it upon myself, but I totally agree with a 'Lynch all Lurkers' policy, at least for d1. In HG you'll remember I pushed for a d1 lynch on Onegu because he was totally useless. We didn't, and it screwed town at the end because we were stuck with a total coin flip on him, where it was too easy for a ml to happen. You mentioned after the last game that it's stupid to lynch people who are active all over the thread and I agree with that also. Rsoult and bugs sound to me like two townies going after each other.
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Just to add to the above, I think we should focus on finding people who are 1 inactive and 2 have people defending or at least deflecting off of them. At the moment the thread is moving so fast that it would be super easy for Mafia to generally say nothing, but with a couple of clear targets already I think they'll also not allow a ml, or at least fight it.
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@LS are you an experienced player? I'm getting the vibe that you know everyone else here. What do you think about WBG's tunnel? In the last game I played, the people who were most tunnelled on people throughout the game all ended up being town - it was the mafia who were much more circumspect. That leads me to give him a town read, but I wanted to run my thinking by others who might know his 'meta' better...
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I just did a filter dive on Kelsier, and I have to say this is some of the most obnoxious BM I've come across in Mafia so far. I mean, I've sworn before in posts, but not that much. I don't think it's a great way to play, but I can't think that a Mafia would draw that much attention to themselves unnecessarily. I give him a town read, unless anyone has any meta input if they've played with him before?
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@Damdred This is not really an excuse, but I want to talk a bit about how I've played this game so far. HG in total went for 120 pages, all the way to the end. A couple of people were generally inactive over the first couple of days, so the post count was manageable. Towards EOD2 I actually did a complete re-read of the entire game, which was only something like 60 pages (and therefore totally do-able). This time, we've made it to that in a single day. This is only my second game of forum mafia ever and I just am not quite sure what to do with this much content. I can't get a read on anyone because everyone already has six or seven pages of filter and everyone has also just been BMing each other, or making single-line posts which make no sense when you read them as part of a filter. Plus most of the players here are people who weren't in HG, so I have no idea what to look for in them. Right now, I'm just hoping that things settle down a little so I can start to get a grip on everything. If you look back over my filter in HG, I think you'll see that I spent the first day literally deer in headlights. I feel that way again, except even more so. That is how I feel right now. I admit, I'm really not much of an asset to the town because I don't have any strong reads at all. I have read every single page of the forum, on my phone and at work, but it's just moving too quickly for me.
In terms of people who were in HG, I think it's fairly well established that NHM has either undergone a character transplant in the last 24 hours, or has rolled town this game. The difference is night and day. Ritoky looks like the same as he was before - he mostly posted commentary on other people's posts last time, and it got more substantive towards the end of D1. IE, I don't think he has done much that is alignment-indicative yet, but the next day or so will be helpful. You seem similar to last game as well, but I don't give that too much credit because I hated how you played on D1 and D2 and D3 (obviously D4 you rocked pretty hard). That's not a pocket - I'm not giving you a town read, you're just clearly an experienced player and meta reads probably won't take me too far with you ("I shit on my meta", etc). But going straight into this game after the last one is quite a big thing - I'd just got used to reading you based on a certain set of interactions, and now I have to throw them all away.
The reason for posting all this is that I'm acutely self-conscious at how I've played so far. I really want to contribute. I've got an hour or so this evening and I'm going to try and re-read some stuff and give some reads or at least post some useful thoughts. But please don't scum read me for genuinely being over-awed.
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I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter.
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@Mig - I have looked over the filters of the two most likely lynch candidates, since that seemed as good a place as any to start trying to break things down.
BF - He has been totally lost in a discussion about meta, whether people can change their meta and whether people have changed their meta. He's had some odd use of language (saying "musclin'", for example) which shows a level of attention to how something sounds that is scummy to me. His vote on HF was based on a single post from rsoult, and was justified by "I don't like that". He has also checked into the thread a couple of times to say he would be on later, but then hasn't delivered. His writing is quite dense and WOTy, even when he writes short things.
Slight scum read - I would be okay with lynching him D1.
ShoCkeyy - His intial read on Onegu is just weird. Claiming VT early says very little about your alignment. If asked, everyone would claim it. It's also the easiest thing in the world to change up. His list post was just odd - it contained no reasoning whatsoever, and was mostly just full of jokes. He also had RL excuses for why he couldn't be around, but then continued to post anyway. He then later says that he's not making up reads, even though he hasn't really given any yet. His reasoning about his activity resonates with me though - he essentially says that you can't measure alignment based upon activity alone. I'm getting a town-y vibe from the way he has responded to criticism.
Slight town read.
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Looking over Mig's filter, I'm giving him quite a strong town read. In the last game ritoky was constantly posting his thoughts on what people were posting, even if it was just "I don't like that for this particular reason". I usually found those reasons pretty spot on (especially his TT read, which I wish I'd carried further than I did). Ritoky got NKed and flipped town. I get a very similar vibe from what Mig is doing here - he has picked out patterns that everyone else seems to have missed, but look very insightful. His late entry into the thread is slightly offputting, but overall it seems like a bad idea to me to lynch someone on D1 who, if they're town, are likely going to be a real asset.
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