EPTOn January 29 2015 09:56 GlowingBear wrote:
This looks great.
Fuck my hiatus
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This looks great.
Fuck my hiatus
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Can you just admit this hiatus is never going to happen
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[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia
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Can you just admit this hiatus is never going to happen /in | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote: Why don't we just vote for the shooting like we vote for the lynch? ie ##Shoot: No shoot and then one of us keep tabs like normal? I think this is probably a good idea but would need a lot of cooperation. Also I think it is the best way to kind of see where peoples reads are and who is actually pushing for what shot. I havn't got much from the thread so far but I think it is fairly scummy that rayn has been apart of two shit fights with geript and toad that didn't really seem to go anywhere. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:23 Alakaslam wrote: I highly doubt that will work. A scum will shoot first; in fact town must take control of it. Koshi knows this but won't tell why. He is either lazy or scum; wifom. He then adds that if the shooter misses, they should die. Why? If we don't take control of the shot, then it has merit to do that; shot wil be used by scum and land on town. But this doesn't take into account bad town wifom; scumkoshi could say that, wait for a derp town to miss, and then get a free ML target to afk onto. Yet here is why we should TAKE CONTROL OF THE SHOT; NOT RELINQUISH IT, NOT RANDO SHOOT. Either way you relinquish it is bad; town loses KP to direct toward scum, and scum gets the possibility of counting on wifom and using it. Also, opens up possibility of derp hero mindset townie using it poorly AND getting ml. Whereas, if we unofficially vote on a kill that someone shoots at say, IML style or something, at least we get info from it and are more likely to ACTUALLY hit scum. Anyone who shoots outside the vote, Koshi rule applies. I agree with this. I think we need to have it decided before the 24 hour mark who we are going to shoot and then anyone that is around just sends it in because it doesn't matter who shoots just that the target who is selected gets shot. This also needs to all be done before the shoot deadline opens or whatever because obviously nothing is stopping the person who is going to be shot (town or mafia) from just shooting someone else to save themselves which gives considerably less information | ||
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No i have played with slam like once of twice one he replaced in one i replaced out On March 03 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: Also to answer the question besides with the question, slams line of thought is pretty visible. He tries to trap and he is using logic...and the chupazi is with him this game. His big post he just posted above this is pretty good also. Does he not attempt traps in his scumgame? I agree that his big post is really good. | ||
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I also think tube is town not just for being the first to suggest the vote system but for actually compiling the votes and promising to do so again in the future. Feels like too much work for mafia. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:45 Alakaslam wrote: That is absolutely wifom. Scum can work as hard as they please. It sure is wifom but i think it is less likely that he would put in this effort and be the first to suggest the vote format which actually makes this phase better for town to come from a town. Yes he COULD be doing it as mafia but i don't think he is. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:49 Half the Sky wrote: Well here's the thing, I'm trying to sort out who's doing it for BS reasons, versus who would appear to be misguided. This isn't the first time I'm getting scumread by a load of people in the game when I'm town. The truth of the matter is, not everyone here knows how to read me, and I don't play entirely the same way each time I'm town, especially in a large game. And how is that going for you? On March 03 2015 09:49 rsoultin wrote: Horn of Africa. We were scum together, and you're right; Koshi's opening was very similar to this one. I don't know if i agree with this from what i remember koshi at least tried to push some stuff he is basically promising to do absolutely nothing this game. Feel like he could genuinely be busy this game | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Another reason to townread hts for me. Taking words right out of my brain What has tubesack done other than pretend that he's a host? Making and updating a votecount is a really nice way to appear to be helpful while providing no input himself. I would say what tube has done is more helpful that what any other player has done so far. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:57 Fecalfeast wrote: Helpful in that it organizes town's thoughts, I agree. I'm not scumreading tubesock, to make that clear. I'm just saying that the people giving him a pass for playing host are misguided. How am i giving him a pass (i assume im one of these people) I said i read him as town, obviously reads can change if he continues to never give reads but it is highly likely he wont do so. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:00 Fecalfeast wrote: Without digging myself into this conversation any further: I'm just adding to hts' sentiment that tubesock shouldn't be townread solely for putting in work. Yeah your right this probably isn't worth going into that much anymore. Townread FF aswell, almost got my POE circle! | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote: I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. Then we lynch the random shooters the next day. Fairly simple | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba is mafia. On March 03 2015 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is mafia. Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:41 AT.Epiphany wrote: Ok, so here's the thing, I've explained why it's of consequence. It gives Town (which I'm now doubting you are) a chance to come back if we're behind. That absolutely is of consequence. If you think not, please tell me why. Secondly, none of this is mutually exclusive with scum-hunting, which I said I would be posting on. Your attempt to get the device pressed and to avoid discussion of the topic is very scummy, because the device is unknown and hence chaotic, thereby favouring the scum. As Town we want the chaos only if/when we are losing. Of course you will be happy to shoot me. I am Town, I'm being constructive, and judging by this reaction as well your really suspicious plans and reasoning about how to decide a shot makes me very suspicious of you. Also, I am just as capable of shooting you, so that's an unproductive threat. Can you comment on who you wanted to shoot before you got in a shit fight with geript? | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote: You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you. Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour. can you stop posting and just write the godamn post about the shot you said you would for ages now you are going to get nowhere like this. | ||
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Damdred you said Rayn feels weird can you explain that more at all? Also your thoughts on rayn you have would be welcome aswell rsoul. | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote: So here's my scumread on Geript: Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler. It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread. 1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus. 2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out. 3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes. 4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me). 1) He suggested we nominate someone to shoot so i don't think that he is trying to avoid us lynching a consensus 2) He then later stated that he ment he doesn't care if we shoot mafia or 3p 3)Isn't trying to debunk any plan useful as it can show any weakpoints it has? Yes it could be frustrating but yeah. 4) I dont think this is true. Yeah vets seem to listen to other vets more than newbies but with geript gunning for some of them (rayn for example) how do you think he can count on them to back him? On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote: You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you. Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour. You say you are a newbie here yet you seem to think you know geripts meta fairly well which doesn't really add up. Also I don't like that you promised to talk about the shot before damdred started going hard against you which led me to believe you had thoughts on people other than him yet what you have posted is mostly from after you said you would give thoughts which leads me to believe you had nothing at the time yet you got angry at geript for not waiting for you to post. Im not sure if im making sense or not but if you could give reads on other people that would probably help. | ||
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I think all this button stuff is null. Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.) I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e. | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. nope i just kinda assumed | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do. sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy? I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part. Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option. For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now? | ||
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