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On December 30 2014 01:00 Half the Sky wrote: Welcome back Exo. How long ago did you play? Heads up - sent a few messages to a few whom I think might fancy it here. Looks like we need 2-3 more at this point, so I hope I can help eek out something. As for Tube, he has told me a few days ago he'd rather shadow or observe this game. 6 months ago. I had to leave in the middle of a game (my 3rd on TL I think?) last time due to some IRL circumstances. I PMed the mod but I don't think he was okay with it. I checked the Ban List but I didn't see my name on it. I don't wanna violate any rules though, so if I'm supposed to sit a game I'll sit. But I'd love to play if I'm allowed, especially since my TL mafia experience is extremely limited. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote: nope, not implying she's scum, just implying she's awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum which is actually less an implication and more an outright statement given my question. aren't you interested in the answer, ls? Correct me if I'm wrong, but she just made one post right? And that's your basis for "awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum"? Seems like that's reading into things quite a bit more than is reasonable. I'm much more highly suspicious of you for trying to through some nonsense suspicion on someone else. | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:25 jarjarbinks wrote: Good day everyone I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I also have a broken compy. Womp womp. Ill also be more active when Im not sick but Ill read and stuff I really hate this post. Coming up with not 1, but 2 excuses for inactivity immediately. Like you gotta be kidding me, you're too sick to post on your broken computer but you're going to "read and stuff". I don't buy this as helpful to town at all, but merely as a tactic to try to slip by day 1. You get my vote for now. | ||
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On January 05 2015 23:22 -Celestial- wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys. Trying to get my head around the theme because I've never actually watched 24, though I know about it. I know, I know, sorry. Got my thesis submitted this morning, yay! So now I have time to actually do stuff. Although I'm not going to spend ALL my time in here because frankly I had no Christmas or New Year and my Birthday is next Monday so...yeah I have to make up for that. Going to watch all of Breaking Bad and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. :D But I'll still do whatever I can to help with the scumhunting in between trying to relax. Anyway, as I understand it we need to decide on a lynch for Wednesday night, right? According to the counter anyway. Going to be tricky because lots of new players but of those few who HAVE played before...well actually I've been watching some of the recent mafia games over the holiday before I even signed up so I recognise some names. Hope that helps with my reading. I'm not really familiar with most of the people here I've got some initial thoughts on other people's posts so far. I've read it all and there's just enough to make comments on everyone at this early point: The Shining made some good points on both HtS and rsoultin. Not a lot to go on but I like his thinking and comments on both of them, its logical and nicely detailed. I'd tentatively start learning towards town on this guy based on that. Half the Sky posted some fluff and moved onto questioning a couple of people in the last couple of posts. Some people posted some good things about scum reads but Trfel's point that she opened the other game exactly the same way (where she was town) has a lot of merit, I watched some of that game myself actually before signing up here and found her really hard to get a read on early. So for now I'm just saying neutral. rsoultin running around poking people with accusations. Little bit too quick about it and jumping from person to person very fast it seems. I'm not sure whether to read that as a genuine scumhunt attempt or bluehunting. And very, very quick to judge HtS like he's trying to find a reason to hang someone up as a nice big lynch target right away. Neutral leaning towards scum, I'm somewhat suspicious but I'm not sure if that's my own feeling or influenced by comments from other people so it'd be unfair to go all of the way and say scum. Maybe he's just really enthusiastic? jarjarbinks hasn't posted much to go on at all. Don't know whether that's because of the claimed computer problems or because he's trying to stay unnoticed though so its somewhat unfair to read at this early point. Though he IS making a lot of inactivity accusations which doesn't look good. Trfel made a good initial impressions post with a good observation about HtS. Neutral. I want to almost say "leaning away from scum but not leaning town" here from that first post because its how I feel even thought it makes no sense. Gumdrop one post. Neutral because judging based on one short post, as for jarjarbinks, is unfair at this point. Silverarte immediately jumped by rsoultin for lack of clarity after her first post commenting on his reading on all his jumping about. This very much makes me feel they're not teamed up as otherwise they'd not want to draw attention like that. My initial feeling is that either one of them is scum or neither is. Though that could change with more posts. TheWarWaffle gave an analysis on HtS that seems earnest. On the other hand Trfel pointed out that HtS opened exactly similarly to last time when she was town; and given that WW made such a big deal of the quality of his reads it seems a bit strange that he'd either miss such an obvious source of information. So either WW is trying to make an earnest analysis as town and isn't aware of HtS' past game (which would seem strange given his apparent confidence), or he's scum and might be trying to get a lynch train going against HtS. Possibly with rsoultin possibly just taking advantage of his early comments, I don't know. Hard read to make. ExO_ made good points about rsoultin and jarjarbinks and was good to call out WarWaffle on his claims of tells but not actually saying anything. Although he hasn't posted a lot I like what I've seen. Probably my strongest townread. LightningStrike just posted fluff and comments on other people's posts so far. Not really sure what to make of that honestly. Tubesock is coming across as really scummy from those first few posts. He comments about how he likes rsoultin's finger pointing and comments on jarjar positively as well despite the fact the guy has said little. His only other comments are a question about guides, a comment about how we definitely need to lynch D1 and how "even a mislynch gets a lot of information" and playing down his D1 read ability in order to remain under the radar. It seems a mix of sidetracking, contributing for the sake of looking like contributing, and making excuses for not really getting involved. So yeah...in short I'd say that my strongest townread so far is probably ExO_ and my strongest scumread would be Tubesock. Though with not much to go on so far that could all change. Convince me! :D Day 1 is hard. Edit: LS posted as I was writing this. Last post was pretty good in my opinion, some credit there. Still don't want to make a call on him though. Neutral for now. Before I get started I wanna mention I'm on my phone and so my ability to sift through everything and then subsequently organize my thoughts will be limited. So my posts are likely going to be numerous short posts for now. I think its important to remember this isnt a purely newbie game. There are coaches, and they are going to have an effect on the posts here. And I think the above post is coached to a certain degree, or celestial is not as new as he seems. I only count 2 town reads in his post, and the rest are either neutral or scum reads. At first I thought this was scummy, but the more I think about it the more im not entirely sure. Mafia love to call town as town, and a strong townread on me is an easy move for a mafia. For his first real post into the thread though, its quite a large post. And quite calculated. Makes me uneasy. | ||
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Also I read through the setup and its my understanding we dont actually know the number of scum. Is this correct, and if so 3 would be the right number to assume correct? | ||
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On January 05 2015 10:51 rsoultin wrote: Well, I am going to question things when they're not clear or seem out-of-place. Not sure how else to scumhunt cause I don't have a handy dandy scum divining rod. If you're implying that I'm bluehunting, though, not sure what you're basing that comment on apart from paranoia. Care to enlighten us? Rsoultin needs to post more, but I agree with this exchange in particular. Though I think her initial scum hunting was unlikely to produce anything, its better than not doing anything in the end. Shining looks like scummy with his post and right now looks like a good vig target to me (assuming we have a vig). However her activity has severly dropped off after this exchange. Id really like to see more posts from her. leaning town for now | ||
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On January 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Rsoultin is a guy lol..... Also -Celestial- I did play the SC2 Mafia on Arcade mode too and I also play Town of Salem! Unfortunately TL Mafia and Fourm Mafia in general is quite different then Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia where it's not reliant on role claiming so early and also much faster Days and Nights. Im afraid this isn't true, as I've played video mafia with her just a few days ago. | ||
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I thought she had posted significantly more than she had. But what she has posted I've largely approved of. Her posts, to me, seem reasonable but she's not shying away from giving scum reads. She has been helpful without being rude, while being concise. I think she's town, and definitely not a day 1 lynch candidate. However take a look at LS in these 2 quotes: On January 05 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + My new player reads I never played with before since you asked for them HTS -Celestial-: Town since he gave a lot of good points on why his reads were they were the way they were although he did make a mistake on editing and hoping he not modkilled. Gumdrop: I need some more posts to figure him out. Jarjarbinks: Need more posts from him but he got some excuses for why he so little posts so far. I hope he feels better and can play like like his brother! The Shining: Town for now since she asking some questions and looks like she trying to figure this game out but again I need more posts from him to confirm my thoughts of him being town. Silverate: I need more posts from her to determine her alignment. ExO_: Need more posts from because other than the nitpicking on your post there is nothing for me to look at TheWarWaffle: Town he at least tried to break down the stuff in your post and explain in his mine what the stuff means and asking questions about it. I hope he post more so I can confirm my read on him! On January 06 2015 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 00:18 Half the Sky wrote: LS, unless I am misreading your sentence, moderator situations are not alignment indicative, but that aside, Celestial looks good for the most part for the in-depth analysis. I am a little surprised though you mentioned you had nothing alignment indicative on any of the veterans. Celestial I have a question for you regarding your read on Rasputin. Since Shining also commented on bluehunting, was there something in the content that jumped at you or was it just his manner of scumhunting that indicated bluehunting? Having played with Rasputin before, and taking on a proper D1 meta read, particularly from Carol, my impression was that he will ask questions if something sounds weird, if I recall right, he threw around many posts at people as he criticised circular reasoning and lack of explanations (which happened loads in that game), but didn't go as far to read scum let alone vote people for poor reasoning in of itself. I was just sharing my thoughts on his edit on his post and was hoping he not get modkilled lol. Also on alignment of the vets I not played with you guys when you guys were scum but I do have a slight feeling you and Rsoultin are town again and thought of a funny situation where you tfrel and rsoultin are scum vs me in a dream. Also it's Day 1 and my reads on Day 1 are normally poor except on Metal Mini on Palmar and KSC on Carol of the Bells as scum but I wasn't confident in my scum read there. That just my thoughts for now. The theme here, is "everybody's town". Not a single scum read here. He has a lot of posts, but when I read his filter I don't see scum hunting. I see him not ruffling feathers of anybody in particular. He's even got a nice little "my reads on day 1 are normally poor" excuse lined up all nice and pretty. nope nope nope. I see scum ##Vote: LightningStrike | ||
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On January 06 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: ExO was leaning town for me up until the part where he said I look like scummy and called for the vig, assuming we have one, to kill me tonight. And that was it. ExO, unless you're trying to just bandwagon off of someone else's logic, I would really like to know what about my post made me look scummy? Otherwise, you're just taking advantage of HTS pushing suspicion on me and trying to garner support for it before I can defend myself. Mafia would love it if the vig would do their killing for them. You've also already put in a lynch vote. Why so quick to kill? We're required to lynch Day 1 but we still have a lot of time to gather information. just going to address this part very quickly. I agreed with HTS logic, in that it did seem like you were disproving of scum hunting (the whole "let something slip" as if that would be a bad thing). I proposed you as a vig target because you made a suspicious post, and then disappeared. To me, if you stayed inactive you would be a decent vig shot. I'm not necessarily going to stand by this opinion now, though I think if you don't start helping town you'll remain on my scum radar. As for the lynch vote, I like having my votes in and visible. You're right there's plenty of time to gather more information, and I'm freely able to change votes. Keeping my votes in there lets you know where I stand and what I'm thinking. I think voting is generally a good thing. Players submitting votes introduces extra information. Even though it's minor, I think being able to look through and see how people voted and changed votes during the course of the day is a good thing. I wish we could get more people voting. | ||
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On January 06 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote: I am a man. Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started. I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with. Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game! Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight. If she had scum reads, what were they. Can you quote them for me. And it's not your lack of posts per say. It's your lack of helping town. you aren't doing anything to establish innocence. You aren't doing anything to scum hunt. You aren't giving your own reads. You've clearly read the thread to some degree because you noticed that people thought rsoultin was a guy, yet you are offering nothing. I think you should be vigi shot. I almost think it's worth it to policy lynch you. You aren't even willing to give more than 2% effort. You might be town, but you seem like you couldn't care less. | ||
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People seem to have the impression I was scum flipping. But I'm going to constantly be updating my thoughts as more information goes in. At the time I first questioned shining (I didn't even accuse him of being scum) there were not that many people in the thread. Since then however, shining has based his scum reads off OMGUS and even townread HTS right after scumreading her. So I think Shining has been scummy. JarJar finally posted a substantial post, which was my biggest problem with him to begin with: the fact that he was clearly reading the thread but posting complete garbage. However I don't really like his reads and then calling out 5 people as scum? It makes no sense....but not in a scummish way. JarJar gets a pass from me for today, for what I think is just bad/newbish town play. As a side note, I wanted the vigi shot on him at the time because he was relatively inactive, but unlike the other inactives he was clearly reading. Moving on to LS however: I think my original reasoning on him still holds. He's still playing this "oh I can't accuse anybody game, I'm unsure about every scum read" game. He asks questions, but I don't think he's getting valuable information out of people. He's polite and friendly sure. The kinda guy you want to like. But mafia isn't about being liked. It's not about lynching the rude people. It's about finding and lynching the scum. I don't think LS cares about that, he cares about slipping by. I think he's going to try a fake blue-claim if he gets a lot of pressure on him. There's my initial thoughts. There's a lot of stuff I need to look at more in depth, but after my catch-up read through I still think LS is our best lynch. Just talking a lot is not a good reason to let somebody slip by, and I highly disagree with the meta-(this is how he played town in his other game)-reads. We need to focus on this game here. If people think there is a better case than LS, please present it to me again. Or if theres a reason I should not be voting him today that I've missed. Because so far I don't see it. Totally unrelated to the game: Could somebody also please clarify who I should be calling "she". I've gotten confused in the thread, and it would bug me slightly if I'm getting it wrong. | ||
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On January 07 2015 04:50 -Celestial- wrote: I don't think so. I think that's basically the list at this point. Personally I think its a pretty reasonable list for the stage we're at too. @ExO_: What are your thoughts on LS (and others) pointing out he's played exactly the same way when he's been town on several previous occasions? I've been somewhat persuaded by that enough to conclude that for now I don't think he's the best D1 lynch. I mean I'm still not won over to make him town, but ideally we're looking for a D1 mafia lynch and I don't think he's the one to guarantee it. Correct me if I'm wrong but is there any example of his mafia play? If there isn't any evidence to show that he'd act differently as scum, then I think the town-meta-read on him is garbage. And even if there is, his play here in this game seems scummish to me. It doesn't matter if in a previous game similar play from him was town. It might if I was on the fence with him, but I'm not. Which is why I think he IS the day 1 mafia lynch. I think he's trying to be active enough so that we have to say "He's a bad day 1 lynch." Compared to the other candidates (Shining/JarJar/WW) I think he's the best bet. I believe it strongly enough that I'm not willing to concede the vote for now, subsequently voting for one of the others. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:11 Tubesock wrote: If he hardclaims, are you going to ignore it? It gets a lot harder then. If he is mafia (as I suspect) then he'll have nothing to lose by claiming a blue role. It'll depend on if he claims blue, and what specific blue role he claims. I won't ignore it, but will make a decision when I see what he says. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:13 Half the Sky wrote: ExO, there is. In Student Mafia IV (my own first game), he was a mafia goon. And he showed in his posts that he had more to hide in that game. At least in comparison I think. Game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome LS filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike I'll admit he had more initial scum reads at first. But then, there's this his first big "read" post: On November 28 2014 12:56 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being. Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town. Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky. Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions. Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game. sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town. meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum. alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to notread much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions. Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do. kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :| Look Familiar? | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote: I'm Vanilla Town this game I wish I was a Cop to redeem myself from Campus Mafia Nope I don't believe it. I think LS is mafia and believe we can nab him right now. | ||
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