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On February 06 2014 09:03 Balla24 wrote:
Lonemeow is all like:
- fuck jb is totally scum
- god damnit now i have to cc or i get lynched and i probably will still anywyas cause I always get lynched as doctor
- (gets lynched) fuck this im out.
I actually had serious doubts that jaybrundage might've been vanilla town and fake claiming - it's not like that hasn't happened to me before...
And to be honest, I still wanted to lynch Koshi but had to switch to a more likely wagon to avoid being lynched myself, kinda.
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On February 06 2014 10:08 Balla24 wrote:
EVERYONE SHOULD JOIN VOICE MAFIA FOR LULZ!
Especially you jonny i think you'd be funny here.
You'd just mislynch me on D1, I'm terrible at this game. Also my spoken English isn't anywhere near as good as my written (which admittedly isn't perfect either).
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Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far.
So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies.
One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum.
Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know.
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Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Balla24
Hunting scum, despite the roleplay garbage more or less playing like the last game.
Verdict: leaning town
jaybrundage
Early posts are terrible. Case on Koshi is absolutely rubbish. I think suki makes a reasonable point here:
On February 07 2014 08:58 suki wrote:
It's not the action but the motives.
Posting a long ass scum case this early just screams try-hard scum look at me I'm hunting scum! Why do you have to prove yourself this early as town, forcing a pure meta "koshi should be happy but he's not" argument to say that Koshi is definitely scum?
This is also horribly scummy, why would you narrow lynch between 2 candidates less than halfway through D1:
On February 07 2014 08:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok Town I suggest that you read up on Balla and Koshi. Look at there posts and think if it makes more sense that they are town, or if it makes more sense for them to both be scum. I would like to narrow the lynch between these two candidates.
Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up.
However, this seems like a town reaction to the situation:
On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote:
I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough.
If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons.
Pretty frustrating.
Verdict: null-ish, leaning scum
suki
I really hated the early game trolling and roleplay garbage, but she started to pressure people and post opinions after a while. Makes some good points such as above.
Verdict: null
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On February 07 2014 19:36 Koshi wrote:
Why isn't he bad town? It kinda looks like LM his cases previous game and you were spot on there.
Also can you comment on the jayB thing I asked earlier?
Stray kitten is very sorry for being bad 
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On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already?
Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection?
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On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:24 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already? Why do you think jaybrundage can't be scum if JonnyLaw is town? Connection? The way you catched me previous game. I disappeared when it was lynch and wasn't discussing anything. The same happened with Jonny early game. Imagine if Jonny is town and jayB is scum, do you think Jonny would suddenly disappear at the same time hell breaks lose and not offer his opinion?
There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point.
On February 08 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Then when I call him out on him he says that he is there and trying to make sense of the clusterfuck. Which is extremely scummy, and then the next thing he posts is a misinterpretation about something that hapenned PRE-GAME. (the lollypop business).
The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree.
What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers?
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On February 08 2014 05:32 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:19 LoneMeow wrote:
Okay, so:
JonnyLaw
Not playing to his usual aggressive, abrasive town meta (and he was called very town for it in the previous game, so there's no reason to change). Posting a lot of one liners and not volunteering his opinion.
Verdict: scummy
Can you provide some examples to back this up?
See for example this post from last game:
On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game.
Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these:
On February 07 2014 07:43 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Nobody cares about past game Jonny. What better time to sit around talking. It lets us get reads we can use later. Better last game or future games or past games than fucking policy talk.
On February 07 2014 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote:
Votes are like assholes in this game. Give the man a minute. It's day1 lets sit around and chat a while.
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On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Ok so Jonny doesn't have any scum games that I can find. If someone can link me any that would be great.
To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever.
On February 08 2014 06:18 suki wrote:
Going through the previous town games of his I don't see too much difference between those games and this game. He's always posted one liners, with the occasional longer post here and there. One of the things that I didn't like about his play that I've mentioned is he keeps on shitting on Balla's opening post way after he says it's useless to talk about it.. But in Shadowed Mafia he actually does the same with Koshi's opening. Keeps on mentioning it despite saying it's useless.
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum.
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Ah, thanks. From what I see on a quick read his play there doesn't completely fit this game either. Now I really want to see his case.
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On February 08 2014 06:29 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote:
If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. true but so far he's been in the thread twice I believe? Right at the beginning and then when he was drunk. Let's see how he fares when he comes back today.
Okay, acceptable. Let's talk about someone else. You choose who.
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On February 08 2014 06:35 suki wrote:
Let's talk about Oats.
Let's talk about how he started a choo choo train on me, and then I came and posted my meta case on Sidesprang and he decided that sidesprang was now a good target.
Hmm..
Ugh, Oatsmaster. So hard to get a read on.
This is kind of funny though:
On February 07 2014 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
I gave the first analysis on suki, the only thing I sheeped was aqua asking about suki.
how is suki town because she totally ignores jayb's case and thinks he is too tryhard and therefore scum? URGHGHHH
fine.
##unvote
##vote Sidesprang
Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum, he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either.
bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game.
Oatsmaster is pretty much summarizing what sidesprang did here, without explaining how it makes him scum... Which is what he accuses sidesprang of?!
I still don't know. I kind of thought he was scum in the previous game until late into the day.
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On February 08 2014 06:47 suki wrote:
I find it hard to see Oats and Jay as a scum team though. If I had to put my money on one I'd say Jay is scum and Oats is Oats.
I really don't want connection cases on unflipped players. And I'm not sold on jaybrundage just yet, either. See my earlier post, he has some posts that make him look pretty town after the terrible ones.
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On February 08 2014 06:54 suki wrote:
Hmm.. I want to ask you about your thoughts on Hopeless too.
I read through his game and I think he's townie, but I have reservations on it because last game I totally thought he was townie and he was scum. I'm all meta'd out for the day so I don't feel like diving and seeing how his play was in past games at the moment.
Just wondering if anything sticks out to you.
I'm thinking Hopeless1der is town. Kind of a gut read, but he seems to be posting pretty freely. See for example these:
On February 07 2014 10:54 Hopeless1der wrote:My WiFi just conked out I'll be a little while sorting out wtf happened to it.
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suki, I agree that some aspects of jaybrundage's play seem scummy, but I just can't ignore the very towny-looking things completely at this stage. The frustration-thing seems very genuine to me, and that is towny as heck. So I would not want to lynch him as the #1 choice.
What do you think about Koshi? His play is somewhat different from the last game, but is that because he's scum-Koshi and trying to hide it (as we know his meta from the previous game) or because he's town-Koshi?
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On February 08 2014 07:10 suki wrote:
Hmm..
Actually LoneMeow, are those 'townie feeling posts' really the only reason why you're not sure Jay's scummy? Do you think his actions this game have been town motivated?
I don't have a good read on his motivations in this game. Which in itself perhaps says something about his alignment. Still my #2 scum read so far.
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On February 08 2014 04:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I have been working both days and nights with little rest periods. Has been really bad.
I did some reading though, and fwiw the start of the game had me really suspicious of the big change in Suki and Balla24's play. Can that stuff be explained? Things like a joke probabilities post about an RNG situation and kingship stuff, I really don't get it.
Time wasting and whatnot, why did you do it?
Okay seriously, I thought you were catching up or something, but you just posted a question and went AFK again? For real? Would you be unhappy if we lynch you?
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On February 08 2014 07:18 suki wrote:I like Lord Koshi of Koshinton this game. His attitude is confident. Like, his whole 'You will know town Koshi' spiel. Completely different from last game where he came in with his 40 post policy and ended up giving it up halfway through Day 1. He's been contributing and pressuring people. Some posts I like: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 19:12 Koshi wrote:Oats. Veteran question. Look at this quote from jayB: Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy. Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about. Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Before this post I was puzzled about the reasoning of jayB and why he thought he found me scum. It was almost too scummy to be scum. But this post actually made me rethink that and made me think that he actually had a townie mindset going after me. The problem I am having here is that if he actually is town, why wasn't he able to make that shine through faster? This quote is near the end of page 3 off his filter. To me it feels like he finally was able to twist his story into something that could come from town. But why couldn't he do it earlier? That reponse instantly would have made me back off and not think twice, this time I backed off but now that I think about it again I am puzzled. Your opinion? On February 07 2014 19:36 Koshi wrote:
Why isn't he bad town? It kinda looks like LM his cases previous game and you were spot on there.
Also can you comment on the jayB thing I asked earlier? On February 07 2014 21:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok Town I suggest that you read up on Balla and Koshi. Look at there posts and think if it makes more sense that they are town, or if it makes more sense for them to both be scum. I would like to narrow the lynch between these two candidates.
Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up. This is such fucking bullshit btw. No way a townie says that with what he got. No fucking way. On February 07 2014 23:21 Koshi wrote:
I just think it is too easy coming from Oats. His vote previous game on me was actually based on us playing together and he knew something was off. His vote on Hopeless same story. I don't really know how he ended up on Cake in the end though. I guess we played him and he had no clue anymore.
But this game his vote on jayB was meh. His vote on Suki was meh. His vote on Sidesprang is meh.
And he hasn't called anybody town yet and came in the thread trowing some suspicion on Aqua which I didn't like at all. He's motivated and involved in the game. He's open with his reads. He's active. So yeah I think he's pretty townie.
He's definitely not as scummy as he was in the last game, but I'm not so certain about him being town either unfortunately.
The problem I have is, I think he's good enough to fake this now that he knows why he was called scum in the last game.
I'm not a big fan of things like:
On February 07 2014 18:30 Koshi wrote:
Oatsie, my man. I am totes town right?
This is also pretty interesting:
On February 07 2014 18:33 Koshi wrote:
I'll take that as a yes.
Do you think both jayb and Jonny are scum? I doubt it tbh.
On February 08 2014 05:21 Koshi wrote:
I like you Stray Kitten. I like you.
I don't see jayB being scum without Jonny being scum tbh. The other way around is possible.
Can we see a vote already?
I wouldn't mind hearing what caused the 180 in opinion.
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On February 08 2014 09:11 Aquanim wrote:@LoneMeow: Is there any particular reason you gave your reads on Jonny, Balla, Jay and suki here but not on anybody else?
They seemed like the key players to talk about when I read the thread.
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On February 08 2014 10:34 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its a bit hard to type on my phone but LM is pretty scummy for defending hopeless off nothing. Not that im saying hopeless is scum but that scum have unjustifiable town reads. Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 06:59 LoneMeow wrote:On February 08 2014 06:54 suki wrote:
Hmm.. I want to ask you about your thoughts on Hopeless too.
I read through his game and I think he's townie, but I have reservations on it because last game I totally thought he was townie and he was scum. I'm all meta'd out for the day so I don't feel like diving and seeing how his play was in past games at the moment.
Just wondering if anything sticks out to you. I'm thinking Hopeless1der is town. Kind of a gut read, but he seems to be posting pretty freely. See for example these: On February 07 2014 10:54 Hopeless1der wrote:My WiFi just conked out I'll be a little while sorting out wtf happened to it. You are referring to this right? I had exactly the same thought. I like how he is self-conscious about how weak it is though. But those quotes he posted are just completely not alignment indicative for me and beyond that I don't agree that he is posting "freely".
Look at Hopeless1der's filter in the previous game. He's always more or less on-topic, avoiding anything that could be used against him. Now look at the posts I quoted. Freely saying something completely un-game-related and then making a joke. Totally different feel. Thus, gut read.
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