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On December 10 2013 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
FOR FILTER: GAME STARTED HERE
Teaches you for spamming in pregame.
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Anyone around? I got 15 minutes before I have to leave.
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On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active....
....If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all.
I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active?
Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum?
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Further, If you are weighing activity much more than in the past why would you choose to tell us all you will be inactive? I sense a double standard without much justification or rationalization.
Perhaps instead of going after lurkers on policy you should try to lynch scum?
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I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?
For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.
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On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them.
How is stating that you would rather lynch scum than coin-flip on a lurker lynch a 'hollow statement'?
I would like you to clarify because it seemed reasonably clear to me.
On December 10 2013 06:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. Hmm. Well, it's good to demand explanations for hollow statements. That, however, was quite clear in my opinion: it's better to lynch scummy players rather than lurky players (higher chance of success).
Basically this.
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I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.
I agree with spag that slam is basically doing nothing but shit-posting. If I was going to policy lynch someone it would certainly be him simply because he is making the game worse by being in it.
Cora sounds bad and seems pretty scummy but he is doing the right thing by making a case and trying to scum hunt, even if I am not convinced by it I appreciate the effort.
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Basically cora's case on xatalos contains zero reasons for xatalos being scum rather than town.
Sure, he disagree's with many of xatalos' posts and states some logical incongruities, but nothing that he points out makes me think xatalos is scum, and a few things seem townie.
On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote:Xalatos Case TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around.
Generally, moving your vote around early day one is something I would associate with town. Can you provide a reason that you believe that moving your vote around is more likely to be something scum would do?
On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote:
2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta.
Both town and scum use faulty logic and can be aggressive.
On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote:
3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming.
He hardly jumped on as bandwagon as his vote was the first.
I'm not sure if you could genuinely believe that these things cause xatalos to be scum.
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I feel as though artanis has applied a double standard towards what constitutes being in the spotlight and how this causes someone to be town or scum.
On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit.
I don't understand how you can apply this reasoning toward corazon not being scum, and yet believe that Xatalos is scum despite also putting himself into the spotlight through the application of pressure and votes.
You mentioned a distinction that Xatalos was not actually putting himself into the spotlight despite clearly doing so.
Would you be able to clearly explain this distinction?
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On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.
I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.
If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.
I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.
I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?
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Purple I would like you to explain the issue you had with my statement clearly. What is lackluster about stating you would rather lynch scum than lurkers in the context of a conversation about lurker policy?
On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them.
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On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"
Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?
##vote: corazon
I expect better from you.
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On December 10 2013 13:26 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
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You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazonI expect better from you. Why are you twisting my words and misconstructing my sentences in a way that conveniently gives you a way to attack me?
Substitute 'inactive' with 'less active' and then please focus on the things that matter instead of the things that do not.
Of all the things you could have responded with that was the least useful.
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On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote:
I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch.
That is fine if we are really stuck for someone to lynch. But as I stated earlier; I would much rather try to find scum day one than settle on a lurker lynch which is essentially a coin-flip.
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On December 10 2013 13:32 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:29 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:26 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
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Kusplain?
Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazonI expect better from you. Why are you twisting my words and misconstructing my sentences in a way that conveniently gives you a way to attack me? Substitute 'inactive' with 'less active' and then please focus on the things that matter instead of the things that do not. Of all the things you could have responded with that was the least useful. You can't substitute those two words. Do you understand how active I am? I post a lot. I gave the example of my filter from basics. Inactivity= 1-2 posts a cycle Less active= 2-3 pages Your argument falls apart.
It isn't an argument. I meant less active. I stated inactive. The question remains relevant and the same. If you continue on this minor tangent rather than addressing the breadth of my post I will assume you are trying to derail the conversation instead of contributing meaningfully and lynch you accordingly.
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On December 10 2013 13:34 purpletrator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:21 Plutarch wrote:Purple I would like you to explain the issue you had with my statement clearly. What is lackluster about stating you would rather lynch scum than lurkers in the context of a conversation about lurker policy? On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. It wasnt explicit that you equated coinflip to lurker. It was also a crock of shit in the sense that you cant know with certainty scum vs coinflip. If you want to call it policy, do that.
It was pretty clear. I also believe you can know scum with such a high probability that it is almost certain, so it really isn't a crock of shit.
Regardless I don't see the point in attacking that post at all. What were you trying to gain from doing so?
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On December 10 2013 13:37 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:35 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:32 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:29 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:26 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:@Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
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By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum. What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazonI expect better from you. Why are you twisting my words and misconstructing my sentences in a way that conveniently gives you a way to attack me? Substitute 'inactive' with 'less active' and then please focus on the things that matter instead of the things that do not. Of all the things you could have responded with that was the least useful. You can't substitute those two words. Do you understand how active I am? I post a lot. I gave the example of my filter from basics. Inactivity= 1-2 posts a cycle Less active= 2-3 pages Your argument falls apart. It isn't an argument. I meant less active. I stated inactive. The question remains relevant and the same. If you continue on this minor tangent rather than addressing the breadth of my post I will assume you are trying to derail the conversation instead of contributing meaningfully and lynch you accordingly. This is basically your argument though. You are saying that I said "inactive" when I actually said "less active". Your argument falls apart.
That is not my argument. the question is 'Why mention activity at all if your activity was going to be fine and why not say something before roles were assigned.'
That is the argument. You are deliberately nitpicking the choice of one word and misrepresenting the question. If you refuse to cooperate and continue to be obstructive rather than constructive you can get lynched.
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On December 10 2013 13:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:38 bumatlarge wrote:On December 10 2013 13:33 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote:
I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch. That is fine if we are really stuck for someone to lynch. But as I stated earlier; I would much rather try to find scum day one than settle on a lurker lynch which is essentially a coin-flip. The best scum hunters aren't good early. Talkative scum have to be brilliant to not make mistakes early. They would only benefit if they are a lot quicker/smarter then us. I'd like I not think that. I disagree.
As do I.
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