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On December 10 2013 06:31 Spaghetticus wrote: @Grackaroni and Holyflare You were red last game. You were victorious. Can we expect any changes in your play-style now that you are presumably town? Grack in particular, you trolled through the initial stages last time, are you gonna be more helpful this game? Don't think you'd see anything different most of my games are "pretty" similar. I guess there are wordings in my posts that you can pick up on sometimes when I'm scum, knowing more information than I should etc. Marv would be able to see afaik (if it is marv). ------------------------------------------------------------ What I don't like though is cora's different responses based on who pushed him see when Plutarch pushed cora, his response was: On December 10 2013 06:13 Corazon wrote: I sense the fact that you aren't reading my posts 100%. You've already gotten off to a rocky start with me due to your baseless accusation. Make sure it doesn't happen again. pretty aggressive - an omg you pointed something out and tried to generate discussion between players don't ever do that again. A hinderance to discussion, and an OMGUS post all within the first few posts. Not something I'd see usually, most people's normal reaction is "just thought people should know" not "shut up im watching you". Then couple it with when I pointed it out again: On December 10 2013 06:14 Corazon wrote: I appreciate getting asked the same question twice. Thanks. Off to work on English. Be back in an hour or so. Complete flip in responses and then a leave the thread, plenty of things to talk about or conclusions to draw early but he just disappears. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:37 Corazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. I don't like his responses or his auto peace out of thread, like the point that was brought up on him. ##Vote Corazon | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:52 LSB wrote: Well that was some quick analysis. I can't tell if you are trying to flush out people who bandwagon easily or forcing things way to much If it was the first, why would you point it out? If it was the second, why would you point it out? | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. I don't like these posts coming from cora. He's picking and choosing people to get aggressive on. Who is it now? The guy that is currently the flavour of the thread, Xatalos. He only comments on him using faulty logic but see's no reason to comment in on other people's contributions and explain why meta posts are bad or what was wrong with earlier pressure from me/plu. It's "attack this guy rawrrrrrr~" See this for example: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. There is no discussion of why logic is faulty or trying to get a read on the person or discussing the points with other people. It's an outright accusation that a person is scum and "needs to fake pressure". This is not the response of someone that is looking to find someone elses alignment, nowhere does it ask how he plays or any regards that he MIGHT be town. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information. Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote: I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: On November 21 2013 01:00 Corazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. | ||
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What to you suggests that Xatalos is scum? (judging by your vote) What specifically outlined his motives as scummy rather than towny. If you reply in cryptics I will policy you! | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: so toxic. OK. I am going to drop the persona for a minute because you all are being kind of disgruntled. You are all talking about policy lynches as if that is more important than LYNCHING SCUM. come on people. I'm doing what I can from the position I am in. Thank you. ICE! No, you are doing the SAME thing but in a more convuluted encrypted way. All i've seen so far is that you don't like X, now you vote him but then someone says Y so you vote the other person. Where are YOUR scum reads? If the goal is to lynch scum, how are you helping that instead of hindering it? I liked that you went into Xatalos' filter earlier when searching for what Artanis didn't like, keep that persona up instead! | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote: We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote: Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example. -------- About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town. He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me". And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at. ------- @Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating. I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you? | ||
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