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This post really stuck out to me: On November 20 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Why exactly does sci look bad for pointing fingers so early? @ least sci gave a reason. Now it may not have been a good reason but would he have been less scummy if he just said cora was a scum read w/o any reason @ all? Aparently, since that's what Mocsta did:post 6 I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. You look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early. On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: Of the 3 people he named, he only posted a small reason for Aquanim about how he questioned him. post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count  So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On November 20 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. jjd read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote: jjd I gave reasons?? I am having trouble whether you haven't seen the two posts I made in reference to scibwrbia, or, you can't follow my reasoning?? based on your dialogue it appears you van not find my reasoning? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote: Not to be a prick, but your opener fits that bill more than Corazon. Corazon and I have history, so you could argue he opened that way to satiate me from tunneling him. However, town are guilty of posting responses like that as openers or second posts very often. its part of early game trolling. Hence why I gave Corazon post a null tell. I don't like how you rambled several paragraphs just to state the above. Too much quantity, not enough substance. This is the closest thing I can find as a reason. If there's something else I missed, let me know. If "Too much quantity, not enough substance" is pretty much ur reasoning then OK. But that didn't seem to be what U originally said. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: OK, so in this post it looks like he's leaning town on sciberia. His tells him he should chill w/ the page 1 analysis so to me that seems like he doesn't think its scummy but bad townie.I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. A few posts later: On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: He now thinks that same exact action is more likely to be scummy.I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. Another post I have a problem w/: On November 20 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I've already pointed out how I think that what Sci did was way less scummy than what Mocsta did. Here's Sci's post accusing Cora:Mocsta does his verbal sparring and states his opinion clearly: While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: How is that not stating his opinion clearly? How is that not giving a conclusion but what he quoted from mocsta is?I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:54 Mocsta wrote: I thought it was scummy but I'm feeling better about you after finishing the thread. Especially since Cora is probably my top scumread now and I don't think you make sense as his scumbuddy.JJD Did you ask me this stuff because like Onegu you think I am scum; or, were they just items of interest to you? | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote: [/b]JJD, The below is kinda moot: but Im just trying to prove a point. A response is probably not required. I assume the answer is an implicit "YES", but what I would like to know is whether you agreed with Sciberbia comments based on the context they are referring to [red]at that point in time I see you think Sciberbia is being candid and communicating clearly, but that does not mean the actual content is good/truthful. For example: Is referring to: I get you think Corazon is scum etc based on pages 5 to 13. However, if the two quotes above are treated in isolation: do you think that 1 post from Corazon warrants the opinion/stance Sciberbia expressed? This also ties in with my quotes that prior you took issue with. I don't think sciberbia's post was scummy. Now yeah, I agree that him thinking that cora's entrance to the thread is scummy is NOT something that he should base a read off of. And I think that this: On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Is a perfectly valid response. It's when cora changes that to a scumread, that I have a problem w/ it.On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff.Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote: That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not?Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. On November 20 2013 13:14 Rean wrote: So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum".I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote: @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads.Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red".Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4t8oM40) More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him?B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? ##Vote: Rean | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On November 21 2013 00:59 jampidampi wrote: That just doesn't seem like something that you would say to a person who you think is scum. It's more of a "Shape up dude, you're playing bad" as oppossed to any type of accusation.How does this give you the impression that Cora though Scib was townie? On November 21 2013 00:59 jampidampi wrote: He's put up 2 possibilities:How does this make you think Cora thought Scib was scummy? - sci doesn't understand how the early game work OR - sci understands the early game and is intentionally tryingto rock the boat To me that reads: either sci is bad town or scummy and he said he thinks it's the latter. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:20 Mocsta wrote: I believe he's saying that he has a small scum read on aqua as opposed to sci/cora whom he has a much larger scum read on.JJD, Rean can defend himself. Regarding your last criticism, to me it reads he is saying a small lean towards scum (regarding Aquanim)?? | ||
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop.He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:40 Mocsta wrote: OK now I'm confused because I thought you were basically agreeing w/ me here:I personally dont find this means Cora thinks the guy is "bad town". Its a statement that can be said to a town, null or even slightly scum read depending on your motive (i.e. to keep the peace) On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind? On November 21 2013 01:51 Mocsta wrote: My point is that I DON'T think he was saying sci was scummy in that first post. I think he was implying that he was town.This is the post that *JJD* thinks is corazon caling scibs "bad town" Afterwards, he does the later post with rocking the boat suggest he is scummy. Like, as the accuser how can *you* get this incorrect JJD. I'm not really asking why he would make that first post if he believes sci is scum. I'm asking what changed his mind in between. ANd judging by cora's response above, it looks like I interpreted both posts corectly. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote: But that was the post you were analysing when making your "Rock the Boat" read. So if that one page of joke posting didn't give you a scum read, then what did?Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... Sorry Moc but I think these are legit questions. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:55 Mocsta wrote: JarJar Not sure where you disappeared, but if you are lurking: can you please weigh in on Rayn. Lunch. I think rayn looks good. He seems to have similiar reads to me. I don't think there's anything scummy about what you and thrawn were pointing out. Looking into Aqua now. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote: Seems like a wierd statement.Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. What will we know exactly once he gets in here? Whether he really thinks you're scummy or whether he was lying about it? | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:50 Mocsta wrote: "Did you read the Thrawn case?" (on Aquanim) Yeah, it seems like his reason is basically because aqua isn't scumhunting. I disagree. Aqua is all over Rean for similiar reasons that I (and several others) are. He agree's w/ me on the cora/sci situation, even if he doesn't quite think it makes cora scum like I do. I mean, a huge part of thrawns case is that Aqua is accusing Rean. Which I think is a very town thing to do. | ||
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