Hey everyone,

Sorry to miss the bulk of the conversation so far, the Australian timezone kind of skews the timeframes a little for me.

Okay I've read through the thread, and mistakenly thought chinstrap seemed scummy until i re-read that he is confirmed innocent child!

As someone coming late to the thread it gives me an external perspective so bear with me on my reads so far. Im leaning towards Balla and TheChyz being townie. However I may be completely off on this one.

Balla seems townie, he is stirring up the most conversation out of everyone.

I'm more skeptical of TheChyz, his loose play followed by claiming it to be "some trolly remark" is either a 180 freak out after he got voted OR its a great play drawing out the scum bandwagon.

On January 06 2014 09:55 theDragoon wrote:
Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz.

The dragoon has an early point that seems to me to stifle conversation rather than nourish it then jumps on the aforementioned bandwagon.

At this stage theDragoon has my suspicion.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 06:55 GMT

#328

On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided.

Why would you say that theDragoon is misguided?

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 09:11 GMT

#357

@JonnyLaw

First and foremost - this was my debut post, i thought the idea was to be as transparent as possible as Town. So, for more transparency let me elaborate on my perspective now:

just because i'm suspicious doesn't mean i'm 100% sold theDragoon is scum. I admit that I don't have an ironclad filter however if you look at theDragoon's filter i feel like he is dodging a lot of questioning without actually adding anything to the debate: ie.

dynarri and Derrida since they've posted nothing so far.
/notserious

With so many votes on TheChyz we really need to start determining whether he is scum or not, I know the probability of a mislynching is higher at the start of the game but i'd rather not lynch someone who is contributing a decent amount.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 09:52 GMT

#358

hopefully an exclamation point on my initial post isnt enoughto bandwagon or incriminate me, i think punctuation plays only a minor role in determining someones attitude... which without a doubt important when establishing a players underlying motives.

i hope we hear from dynarri and derrida

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 11:30 GMT

#366

Okay, @JonnyLaw here are my reads on them for you:

Asuna has mainly posted against you. Personally I find Asuna's analysis of you confusing however I do agree with his point regarding your attitude toward TheChyz. You label TheChyz innocent very early on little basis quite dismissively. Asuna's perspective here is understandable, and I feel that his direct and almost accusatory play strengthens a townie read on him. This is because a good Townie doesn't fear being lynched as long as his death brings solid information.

So far a Townie read on Asuna.

Day_Walker is a different story, he comes across as a narrator rather than a contributor. I read his filter out of context of the overall thread and it becomes apparent that his posts are very cautious. He posts a long list of inconsequential attitudes towards other players and follows up with some posts that seem to have very little content.

As secondary evidence, i find theDragoons trust in him to be slightly incriminating...

Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation.

I already have my doubts about theDragoon as expressed earlier, however in this reply he off-handedly indicates his trust towards Day_Walker and jumps on the initial theChyz bandwagon. I am wary of sly indicators of trust before a paragraph of 'fluff' or 'waffle' (read the quote, it makes little sense) as it is easy as a reader to think "That sounded solid, I trust that guy" without a second thought.

Asuna seems to have good intentions. Day_Walker and theDragoon seem scummy.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 13:12 GMT

#373

@Day_Walker I don't think the risk of appearing to play that card would outweigh its benefits to us, we require transparency (as discussed earlier) and conversation to flush scum. To be honest I hadn't actually seen that. I'm not actually sure how that works then if theDragoon was backing Asuna. Honestly I think It could mean either of those things, or something else but i can't put my finger on it.

As for your second question about "solid information" I speaking more in general terms about the style of play, its good for Town to 'stir up the pot' in day one. While initially it may seem anti-town for Asuna to stick to his convictions, should he get lynched it may help later on down the track for the rest of us living townies to see who their posturing may have scared. Comparing dialogue between people is crucial for flushing out the mafia in later analysis.

Does that make sense? I hope i'm not rambling, tis late!

I'm looking to hear from Balla, Suki and see what Jonny makes of my explanations before I finalise my vote in the morning. However my suspicions are still clear in the above posts and I'll probably stick with them rather than jump on a bandwagon.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 22:46 GMT

#483

@Suki

BigDad, answer me this: Aside from Dragoon 'trusting' Daywalker, what else about DayWalker makes him look scummy to you?

Here's my analysis of Day_Walkers game so far which makes me mistrustful.

He opens with a list of character reads (a common theme in this thread) which appears to contain a lot of content however if you strip out all the quoting he has done and put it in the context of his following posts it shows Day_Walker as a player who is appearing to contribute without saying too much.

To back my doubt in Day_walker have a look here..

[B]Day_Walker..."I'm probably going to be guilty of this, making big posts like the one above and then leaving. If you ask me direction questions like you've been asking other people, that may help me sprinkle in some smaller posts when I have time to sit in the thread and discuss things."

..maybe im being an overly suspicious townie but I hate when people create an alibi for their style of play early in the game; it may be an attempt to misdirect any doubt on him.

Also, scum tend to spend alot of time apologising for their actions and not trying to get anyones bad side. Suki, can you have a look at Day_Walkers feed and tell me if you can see where I am coming from?

[B]##Vote Day_Walker

I'd also like to hear JonnyLaws opinion on Day_Walker after the recent activity.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 22:47 GMT

#484

ugh my vote didnt work.

##Vote Day_Walker

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 23:09 GMT

#489

@Balla24

As far as I understand the best two ways to generate discussion early game are:

a) Ask people their opinions so we can cross reference them throughout the game.
b) Do what TheChyz did and bluff people onto bandwagons

I don't have a solid read on Suki yet, i need to have another look at her feed. I was responding to her questioning and subsequent vote.

I simply asked JonnyLaw for his opinion because my post was actually in response to something he asked earlier.

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 23:34 GMT

#504

erm, where is TheChyz. He voted a lurker then went afk. What the?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz

BigDad

67 Posts

January 06 2014 23:44 GMT

#507

I was looking through everyones feeds and saw that, i thought it was notable considering the early (and large) play by him - then the hasty retreat from play with an easy vote on a Lurker. What is your analysis on him so far?