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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Anyways Vanesco: onlywonderboy was a comparison post. I'm not defending Balla, a fact that should be clearer when compared to actual defense; I did not say anywhere that I think Balla's right. I also didn't say that Storr is wrong in suspecting Balla. Only that Storr's method of pointing out suspicion doesn't look good to me. Not sure about you, but I don't think I'm defending. Also, out of curiosity, why do you mention that onlywonderboy actually responds about Balla's post? If anything, shouldn't that mean that my post, which isn't about Balla's, isn't defending Balla? I'd like to understand your logic here. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Also, what do you mean with that "two posts after yours" part? The two posts I see are Obzy saying that it looked like owb was answering storr rather than defending balla, and owb talking about how spam is bad. Neither have much to do with me. On October 30 2013 11:26 Obzy wrote: Also, his mention of Storr's post might as well just be personal musing given how little it mattered, and it certainly didn't generate discussion. Sorry, not understanding what you mean by this sentence. Can you rephrase? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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I think Balla is justified in calling me scummy (though I'm not scum). Van's comment on me defending Balla was inaccurate, so I wanted to correct him. Carelessly, I mentioned owb's post as an example of what I consider defending (actually disagreeing with the one who's doing the questioning) in hopes of making it clear that I was not defending. I can see how that looks like deflecting, and why that looks bad on me. And then, I was trying to get more people to talk, though that came off as asking people for their thoughts without contributing anything to town. It's just that at that point, from my perspective, no one was acting particularly scummy, so I focused on trying to get people to say stuff that I could make reads with. Hope my thought process is clear to you all. I'm town, and I know there's not much that I can say at this point to convince you guys of that. Thankfully, we have plenty of time for others to post, so hopefully I'll prove my innocence hunting scum once everyone else starts posting. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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I think it's a bit suspicious how he manages to end his real life obligations and post so soon after he was called out for inactivity, but I'll try not to speculate on his real life. More importantly, I don't like his read on me. I know I've looked suspicious, but not addressing Balla is quite possibly the least suspicious thing I've done. It's not like there's a scummy reason for lumping one attacker with others and addressing them all together. Even poofter seems to realize that, and backs off a bit by admitting that I might have just not noticed Balla amidst the attacks on me. What's left is a post that accuses me, with a poor new idea. I think poofter was trying to defend himself form the inactivity complaints, and he came up with some random poor evidence to try to show that he's contributing. I'll agree that Jonny's case on Vanesco was pushing it. Van was definitely not joining a bandwagon; if anything, he started it with decent reasoning. And in all his earlier posts he seemed quite certain that I was scum, not much apologizing. Why push van so hard with a vote and leave barely anything on poofter? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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I'm thinking of poofter as I say this, just go to your classes and contribute when you can please. And is there really a need to reiterate that I'm your biggest scumread? We know that. Storr's already going to post his thoughts, so a comment at that point me think you just wanna seem like you're contributing. It's not actually helping anyone. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote: @cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one. Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him. @storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games. Nyx, why is your first post here 3.5 hours after you were on another subforum? Looks even worse when your first sentence is about timezones, implying that you were too asleep to be on TL. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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I'll repeat my first main point on you: it's suspicious that you even bother pointing out that I didn't directly address Balla. It's a bad point because declining to point out everyone who accuses me has nothing to do with being scum. I don't why, as town, you would try to pass that off as scummy of me. As for the Jonny misread... yeah, my bad. I read the first part of it where he just says "nyx is active..." and that stuck out at me more than the other parts, and I was waiting on nyx to post ever since. I did consider that Jonny was wrong, but I figured it would be a good idea to call out Nyx anyways since he'd been quiet ever since his first post. To E00e: I think the one-line thoughts in your first post weren't helpful. Without justifications, they won't be convincing anyone. If they're obvious ideas without explanation, there's no need for you to come out and say them (and it's not like you were bringing attention to new trains of thought, since most of the thoughts had already been said) | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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My priority is finding mafia, or at least a good day one lynch. Think it's more important than clearing my name right now. So without further ado, main reads after rereading filters: Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum. Storr: It's great that he's trying to direct town to be productive, but he isn't providing anything that helps find mafia (seems helpful without providing the most important part). He's been around in the thread a bit too long for that to seem normal. And it looks like he's not going to be helpful for a while. He looks bad, he knows it, not much more to say. I'll be waiting for his analyses. onlywonderboy: I'm not liking what he's posted. Only person he's casted suspicion on is me, which takes no effort. He also mentions that I'm not super scummy for some reason. Meanwhile, he just tells us to look for other lynch options from nyx and July, but he doesn't call them town personally go looking for any lynch options. Might be mafia deflecting from a teammate or two, but it seems a bit silly to make connections with teammates already. It also keeps town from doing stuff, if he tries to move the conversation around without telling who he thinks should be talked about. I think it's likely that he's trying to look good and openminded without committing to any reads, which is scummy. Contribute more please. July: Very first post, he makes a point to call it his "town post". What. This looks like he only cares about looking town, not finding mafia. I don't think mafia would be dumb enough to say that. Then he states repeatedly that he won't make useless posts, but each one of those posts is useless. I don't even know what to think. At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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On second thought, though, he is lurking hard. He's not being helpful, and it's pretty easy to not show scumminess when you're not showing much at all. An okay lynch compared to no lynch. Odin, anything in particular you want from me? I can try to address any burning questions you have, though I'd rather focus on scumhunting since it doesn't look like I need to defend myself from a lynch right now. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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poofter: Sure, the fact that you attack me makes sense. I still don't like the "new evidence" you brought while doing so, and according to you we've agreed to disagree or something like that. From there on, your posts until your case on me make sense, but they also aren't very useful. To reiterate, I think you're scummy because you haven't contributed anything substantial, but you've posted enough that it could be mafia pretending to be helpful. I think I've already phrased it like that, and I don't like how you cherry pick my openmindedness to criticize while ignoring the more direct accusations I make. You've accused me of twisting facts, but right now it seems like you're flat out ignoring some of them. You look very scum at the end of that post. ##Vote: Tehpoofter I'll be back to switch my vote if this doesn't gain traction. E00e if it's the only thing going. July or Storr if enough support. Not sure what to think about nyx? His posts aren't good, and people seem to agree with that, but it also looks like he's getting something of a pass because it's similar to bad posting from a previous game where he was town. Right now, though, he's had two retracted scumreads, and suspicion on poofter. I like the suspicion on poofter, but I'd still lynch if it was the only thing that would go through based on his lack of good posting earlier. Storr... thoughts are the same as in my previous post. Sure, he's recognizable, but it's not much use if he's not reading people. His directing the town to be productive is nice, but it's also fairly common-sense. Seems like an easy way for scum to pretend to be helpful. I was inclined to wait for his reads, but there isn't as much time for that right now. Summary of my vote preferences in order: poofter, Storr, July, E00e, nyx. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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I'm leaning more and more towards voting July atm. His last two posts have been absolutely useless, attacking someone new for bringing up another lynch target without doing a single thing to consolidate votes. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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I do agree that Odin doesn't look great though; I can't tell whether the guy read the thread or not. He's said both that he's only on page 12 after he said he read the thread 4 times. And Odin seems to be rehashing old arguments for the most part. Pushing for an Odin lynch right now, though, seems more disruptive than anything else considering how there are other decent lynches. Also, I don't know why Jonny would be the first to defend me if he was mafia, since it should be more convenient for suspicion to stay on me. This reason doesn't apply to anyone else though since no one else can confirm that I'm town. So yeah, from anyone else's perspective I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today. Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. ##Unvote Tehpoofter ##Vote: July617 I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Jonny's early defense on me looks towny to me, because I think scum would try to leave suspicion on me as long as possible. Aside from that, I don't see enough suspicion of him so I think votes on him would be wasted. I suspect you because your posts haven't been helpful, and I don't like how you made useless posts talking how you don't want to post useless spam. And I don't like how you refused to help us consolidate on a vote. An yes, I think we should lynch today. I want a flip on someone, even better if we can hit scum. I have suspicions on a few people, and I think lynching any of them is better than not lynching. So, I wanna vote whichever of my suspects is getting the most votes so that we don't fail to lynch. The Storr defended comment was an impression I got, probably from posts like: On October 31 2013 15:45 Vanesco wrote: So I am now back and should be for a bit over an hour until I go to bed. Currently I am still waiting on E00e. I think we all agreed to lynch lurkers and he has been called out three times. First by July, no response. Then later by me, no response. Suddenly I vote him, and guess what a response. What has he done since, nada. All of the "reads" he has said he have either been: "i agree with", "i disagree with", or questions. At least on storr there is some activity by him when town wants him to talk, but E00e was called out and has gone back into hiding. I would rather lynch E00e at this point before lynching storr. where van, who I think is pretty trusted, would rather lynch someone besides storr. I'll leave my vote on July till it seems like someone else is close to being lynched (and I don't have a problem with the lynch). It seemed to me like no one thought well of July, and just haven't voted yet. Balla: Why do you have a town read on July? The thought process behind the no lynch? Also, Jonny's van case mentioned that I was looking more noob town. Every earlier post about me was calling me scum or questioning me, as far as I can tell. | ||
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